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Are Trans PoC Gamers the Future of D&D?

Started by RPGPundit, October 23, 2023, 09:55:31 PM

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BadApple

Quote from: pawsplay on November 29, 2023, 04:40:33 AM
Well, I got a reaction out of you. You don't even have to read it to know what I said. You know the truth.

That says a lot more about you than anything.  You got some attention so your histrionic outburst was worth it.

On a more serious note, this is a real sign of serious mental illness.  You need some proper therapy and then do a deep spiritual journey.  I hope you deal with your feelings of inadequacy, rejection, and frustration and finally find some inner peace. 
>Blade Runner RPG
Terrible idea, overwhelming majority of ttrpg players can't pass Voight-Kampff test.
    - Anonymous

pawsplay

Quote from: BadApple on November 29, 2023, 05:13:11 AM
Quote from: pawsplay on November 29, 2023, 04:40:33 AM
Well, I got a reaction out of you. You don't even have to read it to know what I said. You know the truth.

That says a lot more about you than anything.  You got some attention so your histrionic outburst was worth it.

On a more serious note, this is a real sign of serious mental illness.  You need some proper therapy and then do a deep spiritual journey.  I hope you deal with your feelings of inadequacy, rejection, and frustration and finally find some inner peace.

So are you like a psychologist or what?

BadApple

Quote from: pawsplay on November 29, 2023, 06:02:12 AM
So are you like a psychologist or what?

More like a "or what?"  Used to work with an outpatient mental heath clinic.  Most of my work was with PTSD and Autism but deal with bipolar, schizophrenia, and borderline personality to name a few.  Lots of classes and seminars on how to identify and hand mental health problems in an emergency.
>Blade Runner RPG
Terrible idea, overwhelming majority of ttrpg players can't pass Voight-Kampff test.
    - Anonymous

Wrath of God

QuoteI have come to give you the word, and the word is good. According to definitions and implications often tossed around this site, it's all true. The RPG hobby has been subsumed into wokeness. As never before, people are talking about race, gender, sexuality, colonization and de-colonization, appropriation, feminism, and various intersectionalities, as never before. Even for people who did not respond with visceral disgust at the hadozee controversy, they can tell which the wind is blowing; even if they don't consider themselves woke, the mainstream gamer, the mainstream person, doesn't want to be thought of as a racist or misogynist. The economics are in favor of wokeness; people pander to the new awareness of all time, and court an image of being sensitive and inclusive. They actively scorn the dollars of reactionaries, because people who complain about "wokeness" and such are a dwindling group with little reach, and increasingly, fewer dollars to spend. People used to cackle, "Get woke, go broke," and the opposite has occurred. If you resist the overall progressive trend, your brand will suffer, your sales will suffer, and you personally will be chased to the ends of the Earth until you recant your heresy. The new social order, like any social order, will be enforced by all the usual tools: scorn, exclusion, and active disconnection in society and the economy. Anti-woke people are increasingly unpopular, in many corners unwelcome, and will ultimately become pariahs and eccentrics on the very fringes of the hobby.

That is correct assessment of modern trend, indeed. However I'm quite afraid this is way less dominant that you would wish. Millenials were pushing it, but zoomers are way more diverse and definitely more cynical towards moral busybodying. Even those quite leftists. And of course world is not merely America - and there situation is even more and more complexly changing with Right-Wing nationalists taking India, China being China, anti-immigrant parties stronger with every years in EU, and insane but arguably right-wing guys winning elections in Latin America.


QuoteThis forum is unlike virtually any other gaming space on the Internet I can think of. It represents a realm where people can openly express disdain for minorities, for feminism, for social justice, for inclusion, and this is treated as within the range of normal opinions a person can have and still be respected in society. Not so, elsewhere. You will be sanctioned and even banned from discussion groups and entire spaces on many, if not most, sites. Here, people call being trans a "mental illness." You know who doesn't? People with actual expertise in mental illness. It's a bizarre phenomenon, people latching onto a pseudo-medical, pseudo-intellectual casting of the issue, when the very opinion indicates being decades behind the times, and increasingly retrograde with respect to the ethics and science of the 21st century. Calling transgender identity a mental illness is not simply politically incorrect or rude, it's just wrong and incorrect, in ways that show someone's lack of sophistication. It's like being a flat earther. It's not just socially repugnant and scientifically ignorant, it's embarrassing. It's like being ones of those guys who stands up in the US Sentate and says something stupid that reveals to the world they don't understand anything about pregnancy, the female orgasm, or what people under the age of 60 think about just about anything.

From philosophical framework however disease and illness are not really biological, scientific terms but philosophical ones - axiological judgement over preconceived notion of individual well-being. (Which of course cannot be scientifically defined - there is not experiment whatsoever that could define good, or bad, or well.) And it frankly cannot be in any other way - most people will ignore it, but while let's say flu infection is solid fact - classifying it as against well-being is not. I mean it is very intuitive - but that's not the same as solid. Science, science proper is fundamentally unethical - and kinda needs to be to fullfil it's methodological principles. Not that most scientists care that much - but then we also do not have to care about authority trying to cross own methodology.


QuoteAnd the zoomers? Little bitty woke goblins. Some of them are in college now. And they are the wokest little fuckers you've ever met. Sure, the majority are racist, misogynist, homophobic little pukes, but it's the smallest majority in history. And they all know their own wedge, and they protect it. Little woke Asian zoomers making fun of crusty, hilarious Oriental Adventures bullcrap. Woke little gaymers, gay as they want to be. Baby bronies. People who view essentially every Final Fantasy game as vintage, "dad gaming." They watch anime, absolutely the gayest anime, and they don't apologize for it.

Yes, but they are also divided being tired of age of moderated internet of millenials, and embracing anarchy in many fields.
Now of course your judgement of zoomer generation as "are racist, misogynist, homophobic little pukes" probably shows generally how far removed you are from reality by any reasonable standards, I'd rather say that zoomer right is not afraid to be edgy offensive and prejudiced mostly in performatory way because Political Corectness is THE MAN of our era. But majority of them. Sounds like clear nonsense. Unless you count whole world. In which case you should not use zoomer term.

Also yeah banana kids making jokes with orientalism are so representative.


QuoteThe world you knew, is over. Your little harlot tables, and your openly white supremacist, reactionary, misogynist, ignorant ignorsis is going to go the way of the lead miniatures we used to lick our fingers painting back in the day. It's going to fall off a cliff, and no one will miss it. When the last of the Old Guard croaks, and can no longer spend their Social Security checks on Deluxe Gold Embossed Masturbatory Anniversary Editions of AD&D, it will just end one day. These are the last days. Your beards are going gray, your fedoras are older and just a little bit battered, and no one wants to sell anymore, what you want to buy. There are no conventions for you. Very few online spaces. What you, what you sense, is very real.

The world is upside down, now. The people who you used to heap scorn upon, now they heap it upon you. There are more of them than there are of you. And if anyone on the sidelines feels sorry for you, they aren't going to do very much to defend you. You don't have allies. Woke people have allies. All you have is your bitterness, in a world that increasingly can't even see you. This isn't a fight. You're out of men, you're out of ammo. Your lines are being overrun...

I mean I kinda admire this boasting. I don't think it's as good seeing social changes in my country and countries around me, but that's fine.
Good luck being good lil vassal of Blackrock and Vanguard for rest of eternity my friend. I'm sure you gonna enjoy it being so proud of allies.
"Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon."

"And I will strike down upon thee
With great vengeance and furious anger"


"Molti Nemici, Molto Onore"

Shipyard Locked

#49
Quote from: BadApple on November 29, 2023, 04:35:08 AM
Also, no one is reading that wall of text.

Oh, I read it. It's well written in fact, amusing, and some of it might be correct.

But not all of it. To me, it was the kind of thing someone writes more to themselves than the audience. As reassurance, to bolster their own optimism in the face of creeping doubt.

After all, this is a world where according to most polling Trump somehow still has a chance at reelection, where the Dutch just elected Geert Wilder, where New Zealand just rejected what Jacinda Ardern stood for.

A world where boomer hippies gave way to Reaganism and 1920s flappers gave way to 1950s housewives. 'Progress', however you define it, is complicated, fragile, not guaranteed. Today's young revolutionary heroes are tomorrow's disappointing pragmatists.

But I can offer some hope PawsPlay. I'm a childfree vegan agnostic pacifist New Yorker with gay players. From where I sit, from what I've seen, you'll probably get 40-60% of what you want, but after some back and forth you'll have to settle for that and become like every other established passionate ideology in this country. People will be polite and sensitive to your face, but roll their eyes behind your back, like they do with Mormons and Vegans like me.

That sounds depressing, but as Obama reminded people, half a loaf is still worth something in a world this brutal.

pawsplay

Quote from: Shipyard Locked on November 29, 2023, 06:48:45 AM
But not all of it. To me, it was the kind of thing someone writes more to themselves than the audience. As reassurance, to bolster their own optimism in the face of creeping doubt.

Isn't that the main product of these forums?

Wrath of God

QuoteIsn't that the main product of these forums?

Isn't that main product of any strongly politically aligned forum?
Like I skim sometimes The Big Purple (when I was banned without any political post on my side, because some mod claimed I'm sockpuppet (and didn't even had social courage to say whose)) and how can I read this rampant censorship and anxious purging of anything incorrect, like not creating safe-space for anxious people to believe world is on their side, when they don't really believe it's true.
"Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon."

"And I will strike down upon thee
With great vengeance and furious anger"


"Molti Nemici, Molto Onore"

honeydipperdavid

Quote from: Wrath of God on November 28, 2023, 06:38:15 PM
QuoteWith the leftard version of trans, a dude dyes his beard purple so he can use the ladies room and get preference in hiring, its likely his junk is quite present and he'll never split his penis down the middle, remove his testicles and then create a hole in his crotch for gay men to get sexual pleasure.  The trans people I worked with in the past would never do any of the shit the leftards are pretending and they wanted to be treated as the opposite gender and they did not do everything they could to stand out.  No actual trans woman is going to talk about her bulge - see Dylan McVeiny for source.  So he could have children, just saying.

Thank you for all this bodily horror imagery in utterly unnecessary attempt to explain simple jab,

It's what the sex change does and what it is for.  If you have someone in your life deciding to castrate themselves then bring up the above definition and see if they will continue.  Describing exactly what "gender affirming" care will do can wake some people up.

Armchair Gamer

Quote from: pawsplay on November 29, 2023, 04:25:29 AM
If that's what you think, you are correct.

  Yes, we've heard it before. "Who is like the Beast? Who can make war against it?"

 

Shipyard Locked

Quote from: pawsplay on November 29, 2023, 07:00:05 AM
Isn't that the main product of these forums?

Probably. So what? Do you think pointing that out immunizes you and your favorite social media hangouts somehow?

Wrath of God

QuoteIt's what the sex change does and what it is for.  If you have someone in your life deciding to castrate themselves then bring up the above definition and see if they will continue.  Describing exactly what "gender affirming" care will do can wake some people up.

Dude I did not accused you of lying, but of using over explanation in wrong place.
Being technically correct does not mean you read room correctly.



QuoteYes, we've heard it before. "Who is like the Beast? Who can make war against it?"

TBH - only God can make successful War againt Beast... so this sentiment is half-correct. We are doomed to be smacked by Antichrist till time end.
"Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon."

"And I will strike down upon thee
With great vengeance and furious anger"


"Molti Nemici, Molto Onore"

Omega

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on October 24, 2023, 02:31:58 PM
Only if they're marketing to TBP and EN World. But if those sites are any indication, Antichristian Gamers are also WotC's next target audience.  ;) ;D

They have been courting that since 3e when they demonified a bunch of stuff in D&D that was not prior to this. 5e they slip in even more.

mcbobbo

I started compiling a list of 'old white guys' in the industry who's ages I could determine.  It's quite long, actually:

Jeremy Crawford is at least 44 (together with spouse since 1997)
Chris Perkins is 55
James Wyatt is 55
Bill Slavicsek is 52
Kevin Siembieda is 67
Erik Mona is 49
James Jacobs is 51
Sean K Reynolds is 47
Wolfgang Baur is 55

"It is the mark of an [intelligent] mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

PulpHerb

Quote from: Wrath of God on November 29, 2023, 07:05:31 AM

Like I skim sometimes The Big Purple (when I was banned without any political post on my side, because some mod claimed I'm sockpuppet (and didn't even had social courage to say whose))

To be fair, that's the most common method there for getting rid of "bad people" who never the less follow the rules. It was probably also used to justify permabanning someone else as using your account as a sockpuppet (or multiple people)...that's why they wouldn't name who.

Even pretty lefty people get tossed. Justin Alexander got tossed over a decade ago for that reason and he's a guy who calls Republicans a death cult and wears a rainbow ampersand tee-shirt.  Read about it on his blog discussing why he removed all the reviews he had on the site. He argues the forums replacing threads under reviews and having the tangency forum were the worst ideas on TBP were the worst ideas they had, mainly because tangency mod proud they'd never played RPGs were able to just go on power trips.

Which I think gives a peak behind most wokeness, especially at places like TPB. It's the same moral busibodies who went after D&D and metal music in the 80s and Vampire and goths in the 90s.  Oh, this might be a different generation but it's the same mindset.

If he is relying on them to make him the future, I think pawsplay is in for the same rude awakening a lot of evangelicals suffered circa 2000 when they quit being the hot gravy train and and found out their most public and vocal leaders were after power and money, not their particular cause.  It's an old trend (even James Mitchner used it in his novel Space so it much have been obvious how it worked in the mass media age by the mid-70s).

PulpHerb

Quote from: BadApple on November 28, 2023, 10:03:47 AM
Quote from: PulpHerb on November 27, 2023, 10:32:26 PM
Quote from: BadApple on October 23, 2023, 10:36:39 PM
I, for one, would love to buy your Far East setting RPG.  I would openly request that you include material inspired by pre-shogunate Japan, pre-unified china, Korea, Indo-China peninsula, and the Maya island peoples.

Out of curiosity, what do you mean by "Pre-Unified China". I can think of a lot of ununified periods so I'm curious as to the specific one you're after (I assume prior to a specific territorial extend, but am curious).

You're right, I had to look it up.  The part that leaps to mind for me is the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms period.

Nice choice. I'm used to people talking about a disunited China meaning the Warring States period which ended with the Qin dynasty.  Nothing wrong with that period, but for gamers it's getting like The Battle of the Bulge got.