There's a fundamental disconnect between trans ideology and feminist ideology.  Trans ideologues maintain that gender identity is both in-born and immutable.  This is necessary to support the idea of medical transition at a young age without parental approval or involvement.  It must be innate and unchangeable.  They must also pretend that biological sex is unrelated or just doesn't exist.  Second wave and later feminism maintains that gender is entirely a cultural artifact with no biological component at all.  Gender can't be both innate and immutable and entirely a social construct at the same time.  Same-sex attraction becomes meaningless if biological sex is irrelevant or doesn't exist.  Terms like woman and lesbian also become meaningless.  TERFs are just women who refuse to pretend that this can all the true at the same time.   

Quote from: Eirikrautha on December 23, 2023, 09:27:15 PM
Of course.  But if he (she? it?) is going to argue that the game is now about themselves, they must argue that the game was always about us in the past.  Except the "us" that it was about was the majority of the gaming public, and not 0.3% of the population that wants to hijack it now.  And the majority didn't demand the game be about us, and were happy to play in those cases when it wasn't.  But the perpetual snowflakes can't stand it if they are not the focus of the game all of the time.  This is called "inclusion"...

The things is that people could always make the game about whatever the hell they wanted it to be about.  I didn't need for something to be "represented" in the book for me to add it to my game.  If you wanted to make your game gay as fuck, you could just do it.  In this setting, being gay is the norm and only a small minority are heterosexual or no is.  Everyone is born as a girl and goes to a shrine when they become adults to choose what gender they will be.  Yeah, I stole that from Simoun.  You can make the game about whatever the hell you want.  People don't need a Pride parade in an official WotC book that do that in their game.  They can just do it.   

Quote from: pawsplay on December 23, 2023, 10:40:54 PM
I've never used it as a slur. It's not my fault people don't like what they hear about themselves. I say trans all the time, and that's not intended as a slur.

You have though.  Those cishets made it all about themselves.  You can pretend that this isn't a slur all you want but we can read.  They way you and others like you use it makes it obvious that it is intended as a slur and always was.  It's like str8s or yt people.  You can pretend it's not a slur all you want but the way it's used and the way people who use it talk about those groups make it obvious that it is a slur.

Quote from: yosemitemike on December 23, 2023, 10:50:11 PM
You have though.  Those cishets made it all about themselves.  You can pretend that this isn't a slur all you want but we can read.  They way you and others like you use it makes it obvious that it is intended as a slur and always was.  It's like str8s or yt people.  You can pretend it's not a slur all you want but the way it's used and the way people who use it talk about those groups make it obvious that it is a slur.

That's not a slur. First of all, it's just a statement about the cishets. It doesn't say anything about the condition of being one.

Second, I was responding directly to the statement of queer people making it about themselves. If you think that kind of language is a slur, you basically just stated that it's fair game here to make slurs about queer people. Because that was the initial claim, which apparently you are comfortable with.

Quote from: pawsplay on December 24, 2023, 12:59:33 AM

That's not a slur. First of all, it's just a statement about the cishets. It doesn't say anything about the condition of being one.

Second, I was responding directly to the statement of queer people making it about themselves. If you think that kind of language is a slur, you basically just stated that it's fair game here to make slurs about queer people. Because that was the initial claim, which apparently you are comfortable with.

It is though no matter how much you pretend otherwise. 

So pointing out that cishet is a slur is saying that it's okay to use slurs about queer people?  These things do not connect in any way.  One does not follow from the other at all.  It's completely incoherent.   

The word "cisgender" is made up. It was invented in 1994. It wasn't in dictionaries until the mid 2010s.

It wasn't just made up, it was made to suggest a kind of equal footing between the vast majority of people (ie. the NORM), and a very tiny minority who deviate from the norm. "Transgender" (another word that was invented in the 20th century and was not in common use, much less any dictionaries, until very recently) is a term that at least has a non-deceptive purpose, because it defines a group who do not fit into the norm.

Quote from: RPGPundit on December 24, 2023, 04:08:23 AM
The word "cisgender" is made up. It was invented in 1994. It wasn't in dictionaries until the mid 2010s.

It wasn't just made up, it was made to suggest a kind of equal footing between the vast majority of people (ie. the NORM), and a very tiny minority who deviate from the norm. "Transgender" (another word that was invented in the 20th century and was not in common use, much less any dictionaries, until very recently) is a term that at least has a non-deceptive purpose, because it defines a group who do not fit into the norm.

It's the same for "heterosexual" which didn't enter widespread use until the 1960's (it was used before that in a few scientific journals back to 1893 when it was invented alongside homosexual. Before that it was just sexuality and sexual inversion). The same with renaming the Free Market "Capitalism" in 1854 as the equivalent opposite of "Socialism" (ie. one system only cared about wealth, the other cared about society; because if it was a label it had to be true).

This is what the Marxists always do; rename the normal in order to make it sound equivalent to some tiny minority they favor in order to then throw both into their Hegelian Dialetic blender wherein (according to that insane worldview) the only moral action is to synthesize the normal and abnormal into a new hybrid that is further from the norm and closer to the degeneracy they desire.

In short, they don't want to be called degenerates for coveting the fruits of others' labors nor for their sexual obsessions that require preying on other people's children to have a steady supply of broken lives to exploit.

In their hubris they demand to be worshipped and celebrated for their pride, greed, envy, lust, gluttony (thou must not fat shame). Throw in their sloth and wrath and you have the whole menagerie of civilization destroying forces in a single movement.

Quote from: yosemitemike on December 23, 2023, 10:44:39 PM
There's a fundamental disconnect between trans ideology and feminist ideology.  Trans ideologues maintain that gender identity is both in-born and immutable.  This is necessary to support the idea of medical transition at a young age without parental approval or involvement.  It must be innate and unchangeable.  They must also pretend that biological sex is unrelated or just doesn't exist.  Second wave and later feminism maintains that gender is entirely a cultural artifact with no biological component at all.  Gender can't be both innate and immutable and entirely a social construct at the same time.  Same-sex attraction becomes meaningless if biological sex is irrelevant or doesn't exist.  Terms like woman and lesbian also become meaningless.  TERFs are just women who refuse to pretend that this can all the true at the same time.   

Quote from: pawsplay on December 24, 2023, 12:59:33 AM

Quote from: yosemitemike on December 23, 2023, 10:50:11 PM
You have though.  Those cishets made it all about themselves.  You can pretend that this isn't a slur all you want but we can read.  They way you and others like you use it makes it obvious that it is intended as a slur and always was.  It's like str8s or yt people.  You can pretend it's not a slur all you want but the way it's used and the way people who use it talk about those groups make it obvious that it is a slur.

That's not a slur. First of all, it's just a statement about the cishets. It doesn't say anything about the condition of being one.

Second, I was responding directly to the statement of queer people making it about themselves. If you think that kind of language is a slur, you basically just stated that it's fair game here to make slurs about queer people. Because that was the initial claim, which apparently you are comfortable with.

YOU don't get to decide for us what WE consider a slur, them's the rules you fucktards created.

Did I?

The though act crumbles and you become the usual crybully, pretending to silence others with accusations of istophobia.

Now cry and run snowflake, run.

Quote from: pawsplay on December 23, 2023, 08:01:31 PM
Cishet is not a slur.

YOU don't get to decide for US what WE consider is a slur.

That's not how this game is played by the rules you fucktards put in place.

Not in my current group...

Tho two of my players are the parents of trans kids/adults....
-Ed C.

Quote from: pawsplay on December 23, 2023, 06:23:28 PM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on December 23, 2023, 03:00:46 PM
First of all, made-up words like "cishet" and "catboi" [sic] have to be trans-splained for us people without gender delusions.   Progressive woke language is a hodgepodge of newly invented and ever-changing terms  used gain a stronghold into normal language to redefine things in terms of oppressed/oppressor, so it would be helpful to regular people like me who have no idea what these mean to provide English definitions for words of this dialect.

Oh, look, a roleplayer is going to lecture me about using made up words. Why don't you ask your Dungeon Master to provide 1d6 definitions?

Anyway, for those living under a rock, "cishet" is made-up in the sense of being a contraction of cisgender and heterosexual. Cisgender and heterosexual are Latinate words meaning, respectively, of "being the gender of the original side", in contrast to transgender, and "sexual with the different sex," in contrast to homosexual (sexual with the same sex).

There's a difference in "made up words" in a role-playing game, played by a circle of people familiar with the terminology, and making up words and pretending the're part of the general language.  There's also a difference between living under a rock and spreading language made by and for people who live in an elist bubble, and utterly useless to everyone outside their sphere of influence, and then think everyone not on board with it, or not versed in the latest woke terms are repressed.  Yeah, we know what heterosexual means, and we had "cisgender" imposed on us regular people, so we know it means someone without delusions about their own gender.

It's best to resist this kind of talk, laugh it away, and not let racists normalize the language with their hate-based terms.

The use of "CisHet" does feel like a slur.

- Ed c.

These terms did not arise naturally as part of the language.  They were invented by political activists to frame the debate in a way that serves their own ends.  Up until the 1950s and 60s, the word gender was a grammatical term.  People did not have gender.  Nouns in Romance languages had gender.  Use of the term gender to apply to people was largely popularized by a fringe crackpot named Dr John Money whose poster child case completely failed to validate his crackpot ideas.  Money largely invented this usage to produce a diagnosis that he could use to bill insurance companies for his fringe treatments.  Activists have been pushing this redefinition of gender for their own purposes ever since.     

Quote from: yosemitemike on December 24, 2023, 11:25:51 PM
These terms did not arise naturally as part of the language.  They were invented by political activists to frame the debate in a way that serves their own ends.  Up until the 1950s and 60s, the word gender was a grammatical term.  People did not have gender.  Nouns in Romance languages had gender.  Use of the term gender to apply to people was largely popularized by a fringe crackpot named Dr John Money whose poster child case completely failed to validate his crackpot ideas.  Money largely invented this usage to produce a diagnosis that he could use to bill insurance companies for his fringe treatments.  Activists have been pushing this redefinition of gender for their own purposes ever since.     

Let's not forget that Money was a groomer who's "research" was done with the intent to legitimize child-molesting.  It made him a hero of homopeds (everyone knows what that is; you gotta be living under a rock to not have heard that term) and celebrated by Hollywood and the woke. 

And yes, like Koltar said, when you use words like "white" and contrived words like "cishet" in a racist and demeaning way, it doesn't "Feel" like a slur... it's a slur!  For Pawsplay to deny what's obvious in front of us is folly.  What that mentality doesn't grasp is that Words Mean Things.

I think the answer to the original question "Are Trans PoC Gamers the Future of D&D?" is a solid MAYBE... However, that specific question leads to the next more general one: "Are Trans PoC Gamers the Future of RPGs?" I think the answer to that question is a solid NO! For two reasons:

1. Everything these people touch they destroy -- so if they end up taking over D&D and other 'mainstream' RPGs they will end up killing them. Then they will abandon RPGs and find something else to destroy.
2. Those who actually like RPGs will continue to do so, and will continue to create, innovate, and restore RPGs to suit their own desires, and thus RPGs will survive despite the depredations of the malicious woke and the fools who follow them.