Your math is off, because they aren't marketing to black trans enbies, they're marketing to all the libs who get tingly downstairs if they can think they're being "allies".  The fact that they exist and in great number can be shown by the Kickstarter numbers for the Indian Wakanda RPG.  They'll buy any garbage to warm their shelf and gather dust, which goes hand in hand with the quality of product being put out by literal diversity hires like the radiant citadel.

Let the woke know that Pundit had the first trans on a RPG book cover and they are obviously copying him and watch heads explode.

Quote from: King Tyranno on October 24, 2023, 02:50:14 PM
No and I've gotten to the point where I actively gatekeep those people out of my games. Yes I am discriminating against them. Discrimination is not always a bad thing. Neither is judging a book by it's cover. Some people are exactly as bad as you think they are. And you are right to be wary of them. They're all awful mentally ill people who ruin games. For the sake of my group they can piss off until they get proper mental help and start acting like adults. I don't ask for much. Just don't be a mentally ill person who is difficult to deal with and ruins social situations. If you can't do that, piss off. My group's happiness is more important to me than your individual happiness.

Take in one progressive and gradually show them the evil of their belief system, whether in real life or in game.  A progressive will never change their mind but now they have to sit through 4 hours of potential cognitive dissonance if they want to play a good game.  My token progressive has gotten to deal with a leftist phd grad student who support humanoid monsters. For short hand, I told them to imagine him as a grad student at Harvard supporting Hamas knowing what they did to civilians, that is him.  In a few weeks when they hit the next milestone, they'll be presented with a deal with Communism, I mean the devil.  He'll discuss hells as a selling point the same way the iron rice bowl was sold, but with power and control.  When you as the DM put out obvious digs at their belief system its gotta suck.  But then again, these are characters I've used for years because most people truly hate them.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on October 24, 2023, 06:40:03 PM

Quote from: King Tyranno on October 24, 2023, 02:50:14 PM
No and I've gotten to the point where I actively gatekeep those people out of my games. Yes I am discriminating against them. Discrimination is not always a bad thing. Neither is judging a book by it's cover. Some people are exactly as bad as you think they are. And you are right to be wary of them. They're all awful mentally ill people who ruin games. For the sake of my group they can piss off until they get proper mental help and start acting like adults. I don't ask for much. Just don't be a mentally ill person who is difficult to deal with and ruins social situations. If you can't do that, piss off. My group's happiness is more important to me than your individual happiness.

Take in one progressive and gradually show them the evil of their belief system, whether in real life or in game.  A progressive will never change their mind but now they have to sit through 4 hours of potential cognitive dissonance if they want to play a good game.  My token progressive has gotten to deal with a leftist phd grad student who support humanoid monsters. For short hand, I told them to imagine him as a grad student at Harvard supporting Hamas knowing what they did to civilians, that is him.  In a few weeks when they hit the next milestone, they'll be presented with a deal with Communism, I mean the devil.  He'll discuss hells as a selling point the same way the iron rice bowl was sold, but with power and control.  When you as the DM put out obvious digs at their belief system its gotta suck.  But then again, these are characters I've used for years because most people truly hate them.

That's a lot of work and individualized attention I would need to give to one specific person in my group. I'm not their parent nor their therapist. I expect a respectful conduct of members of my group towards others in the group. I want to run an RPG not an adult nursery. Normally I'd say I'd accept anyone's politics but those people with those politics and that desire to mutilate themselves have no place in my group. They actively make others in the group feel bad so they can feel better about themselves. I don't have the time or inclination to teach them that they are wrong. I just want to run an RPG.

This is the third time running this campaign for the hobby shop, no extra work.  I take leftists and use their behavior and tropes as the villain archetype. 

The annoying PhD Grad student working on his thesis for demihuman studies is a fun one to use as a villain.  Then when the party is going to kill him  he screams out he's the son of merchants, all the while claiming merchants are scum and money changers, and they'll pay for his release.  The party always lets them live not realizing they have now just created a side villain with access to lots and I do mean lots of money.  When assassins start showing up after they are wounded and taking a long rest and they figure out its the idiot they let free its good times, good times.  The party is very, and I do mean very happy to kill the twat when I'm done using him.

Devils want power and abuse the law to get power, hence Lawful Evil or communism/utilitarian.  You can easily ascribe that behavior to communists and implement that in the armies of hell and their behavior and what they want done for their blood war.  Towards the end of chapter 1, the players will be allowed to meet the ruler of the keep, and sitting at his side is the banker, who was always trying to make a deal with people.  Turns out he's a harvester devil, he's got control of the keep and he wants the party to eliminate the evil chaos priest leading to the raids on the merchants and tows for his own power and to help with recruiting more souls for the hells.  Depending on how much they go into it, they'll see the contract is more about an iron rice bowl and the end will be service to the state, I mean asmodeus.  If they are dumb they'll sign.

No do I ever mention left, right, communism, statism, capitalism, nope not once.  I just put in their behaviors and phrases to base the villains and heroes they interact with.

Quote from: BadApple on October 23, 2023, 10:36:39 PM
I, for one, would love to buy your Far East setting RPG.  I would openly request that you include material inspired by pre-shogunate Japan, pre-unified china, Korea, Indo-China peninsula, and the Maya island peoples.

If I make a setting, it will be historically authentic, and probably strictly focused on Southern Song Dynasty China.

Quote from: Ruprecht on October 24, 2023, 06:24:49 PM
Let the woke know that Pundit had the first trans on a RPG book cover and they are obviously copying him and watch heads explode.

Heh. Funny because it's true.

Article title is a question. Answer is always: NO


Catering to a niche of a niche of a niche market is business suicide.  Ask bud light and Target's shareholders.

Quote from: THE_Leopold on October 25, 2023, 01:58:38 PM
Article title is a question. Answer is always: NO


Catering to a niche of a niche of a niche market is business suicide.  Ask bud light and Target's shareholders.

Dude, you get free cases of Bud Light via rebate, its great fertilizer for the garden.  Everyone should use bud light as shit to fertilize the garden, its got electrolytes that plants crave.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on October 25, 2023, 02:16:30 PM

Quote from: THE_Leopold on October 25, 2023, 01:58:38 PM
Article title is a question. Answer is always: NO


Catering to a niche of a niche of a niche market is business suicide.  Ask bud light and Target's shareholders.

Dude, you get free cases of Bud Light via rebate, its great fertilizer for the garden.  Everyone should use bud light as shit to fertilize the garden, its got electrolytes that plants crave.

LOL

Quote from: THE_Leopold on October 25, 2023, 01:58:38 PM
Article title is a question. Answer is always: NO


Catering to a niche of a niche of a niche market is business suicide.  Ask bud light and Target's shareholders.

I'm going to counter that the answer is actually 'Yes'.

'No' ought to be the answer, but given WOTC's capture by the Woke cult I do believe that their future customers will consists of trans POC and a very few others before the brand completely collapses and fails.

It's well past time for the RPG hobby to diversify beyond official D&D being the dominant gaming superpower. Fortunately we have a lot of creators in the OSR and other independent game game spaces that have built up quite a capacity over the last decade.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on October 24, 2023, 01:02:26 AM

Quote from: Kage2020 on October 24, 2023, 12:19:24 AM
Does it really matter?

All things said and done, in a capitalist market if people aren't enjoying the product they're going to vote with their dollars, right? (Gold coins, silver coins, amethyst baubles, or whatever.)

Is not the standard argument that is usually applied? If the market isn't there for it, then they'll see their products stuck on the shelves and will have to figure out what they did wrong, right?

If the punters aren't "Trans POC", or people that might otherwise empathise with arguably (!) marginised communities, products won't shift and the market will correct itself. Right?

When you write for a marginalized community that is less than 0.05% of the population, it doesn't connect for sales.  When you put out a product where your selling point is that whites weren't allowed you don't sell books (I see the same Radiant Citadel at my two hobby shops, well the bigger one put them in the bargain bin 30% off).  When you post offensive bullshit on the DMsguild that everything D&D that isn't 5E is mostly racist you lose sales.

I'm a whale, In a 2 1/2 year period, I cleared $750 on D&DBeyond and over $4,000 on miniatures that went towards D&D.  I am money rich and time poor.  In the last 3 years, the only money D&D got from me was Spelljammer AND that was a bad idea.  When I see content that doesn't connect with normies, I walk the fuck away.  Most of the content from WotC lacks verisimilitude and its just toxic.  You have dumb fucks talking about how they can't wait to get rid of whites working at WotC, still employed, books where they deny people the opportunity to write due to race and frankly nutjobs  creating nonsense words.  I've had multiple players react to content I use because its from 1E and 2E, not 5E.  I've got a waiting list now at my hobby shop, while the other 5E group using Phandalin is struggling.  People want something to connect with and that is fun not god damn preaching woke bullshit.  When you hire censors, your art is effectively dead.  Typal is fucking ridiculous.  You go to WotC's official forum and you ask if for the next survey they please ask if players want more sensitivity readers or less as a survey question, that post gets admin locked and you are banned from posting for 5 days.  WotC is ideologically captured and frankly fucked.

WotC if they behaved themselves could be harvesting whales right now, a lot of 50+ year old GenX, the next group with the most money and are coming into their own now financially as the Boomers exit the job market, will not tolerate the shit WotC is shoveling once they see it.  WotC if they behaved themselves and didn't put out meaningless virtue signals to attract millennials who have no job, no spend and leach of the older people with the subscriptions, could be doing a lot better than they are now.    A leftard is more likely to be a waste of flesh than gainfully employed, meanwhile normies have a job and they don't like the race politics WotC is shovelings.

Well said good sir. Well said.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on October 24, 2023, 01:54:15 AM
Verisimilitude:

3.5E and older content had towns that tended to be racially homogenous OR if there was mixed there was a reason for it (trade, near another kingdom, war).  If you go to 5E content now, a village has every racial group present with no good reason to describe why.  It makes no sense.

D&D Racism:

Kyle Brink is the executive producer for D&D, he said this bone headed phrase, never issued an apology still talking to the public.  If I stated that I can't wait for my white coworkers to leave work, I would be reported to HR and fired for cause because my developers would not trust I'd treat them fairly if they are white.

Quote"Guys like me we are leaving the workforce, and we are not the face of the hobby anymore I'm not the majority of this hobby anymore and so its important to me that my team of creators look like my players and have the lived experience that my players do and I think there have been mistakes made in years past where people assumed  that D&D players were all white players in a basement.  Um which is a faulty assumption for a lot of years and more and more false every day.  And so in my viewpoint, guys like me can't  leave soon enough for this hobby.

source: https://youtu.be/mPDc3DVHwKo?t=2898

Radiant Citadel

The twitter marketing and online marketing for the radiant citadel was that no stinky white people wrote the book so buy it bigot.  The book sold very poorly.

Quote
Slated for June 21st (update - I just got a press release which says it's June 21st "in North American stores"; I'm not sure what that means for the rest of us!), it's a 224-page adventure anthology featuring a floating city called the Radiant Citadel. The book is written entirely by people of colour, including Ajit George, who was the first person of Indian heritage to write Indian-inspired material for D&D (in Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft). Around 50 POC writers were involved in total in various ways.

Source:  https://www.enworld.org/threads/the-next-d-d-book-is-journeys-through-the-radiant-citadel.686847/

The assholes are now stating that half races are inherently racist, the shit that keeps coming from WotC is just beyond the pale  A lot of people consider themselves half this and that, but you can't do that for 6E because some assholes at D&D drank some racist Kool Aid.  Whatever their sensitivity writers come up with, they nod their heads, go with it, gets lampooned for it and rinse and repeat.  All WotC has to do is remove the slurs against their betters on DMsguild, drop the race pandering and focus on game rules and fun.  The creators who came before them broke new ground and their content was generally pretty damn well thought out and fun.  Don't slur your betters because you can't create the same quality they did.

I agree about the towns, and on that note with the somehow diverse Baldur's Gate 3 (yes I know that it is a trade town with many people coming in, but even with that taken into account it was never as diverse an area as they are now making it out to be). I mean, fantasy or not, it is still taking place into a medieval european inspired continent (and yes it is, despite what some wokies are saying, as evident by the prevailing culture and classes and basically bloody everything). Back then, 99% of the population was white.

Pathfinder 1st edition (which is essentially D&D 3.5 edition but under a different name, and was still respectful to the fans) had the rot slowly sink in, but at the very least the nations were still homogenous for the most part, and black token characters were from an international organization called the Pathfinders who travelled the world through ships and magic. They respected the logic that people would be landlocked in a medieval setting, even with the presence of magic (Castlevania the anime uses magic as a poor excuse to make europe diverse, except when the humans are doing messed up things then suddenly they are all white for some reason). So despite all the lesbian couples they would shove into your face (who at the very least were hot) it was still largely based on common sense and immersion. Of course, can't say the same for the new Pathfinder 2nd edition they put out, which feels too much like Dungeons & Dragons 4th edition.

I bought all the PF1E books, and have a PF1E group to play with now. Gonna stick to them as much as I can!

Quote from: nielspeterdejong on November 03, 2023, 08:54:47 AM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on October 24, 2023, 01:54:15 AM
Verisimilitude:

3.5E and older content had towns that tended to be racially homogenous OR if there was mixed there was a reason for it (trade, near another kingdom, war).  If you go to 5E content now, a village has every racial group present with no good reason to describe why.  It makes no sense.

D&D Racism:

Kyle Brink is the executive producer for D&D, he said this bone headed phrase, never issued an apology still talking to the public.  If I stated that I can't wait for my white coworkers to leave work, I would be reported to HR and fired for cause because my developers would not trust I'd treat them fairly if they are white.

Quote"Guys like me we are leaving the workforce, and we are not the face of the hobby anymore I'm not the majority of this hobby anymore and so its important to me that my team of creators look like my players and have the lived experience that my players do and I think there have been mistakes made in years past where people assumed  that D&D players were all white players in a basement.  Um which is a faulty assumption for a lot of years and more and more false every day.  And so in my viewpoint, guys like me can't  leave soon enough for this hobby.

source: https://youtu.be/mPDc3DVHwKo?t=2898

Radiant Citadel

The twitter marketing and online marketing for the radiant citadel was that no stinky white people wrote the book so buy it bigot.  The book sold very poorly.

Quote
Slated for June 21st (update - I just got a press release which says it's June 21st "in North American stores"; I'm not sure what that means for the rest of us!), it's a 224-page adventure anthology featuring a floating city called the Radiant Citadel. The book is written entirely by people of colour, including Ajit George, who was the first person of Indian heritage to write Indian-inspired material for D&D (in Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft). Around 50 POC writers were involved in total in various ways.

Source:  https://www.enworld.org/threads/the-next-d-d-book-is-journeys-through-the-radiant-citadel.686847/

The assholes are now stating that half races are inherently racist, the shit that keeps coming from WotC is just beyond the pale  A lot of people consider themselves half this and that, but you can't do that for 6E because some assholes at D&D drank some racist Kool Aid.  Whatever their sensitivity writers come up with, they nod their heads, go with it, gets lampooned for it and rinse and repeat.  All WotC has to do is remove the slurs against their betters on DMsguild, drop the race pandering and focus on game rules and fun.  The creators who came before them broke new ground and their content was generally pretty damn well thought out and fun.  Don't slur your betters because you can't create the same quality they did.

I agree about the towns, and on that note with the somehow diverse Baldur's Gate 3 (yes I know that it is a trade town with many people coming in, but even with that taken into account it was never as diverse an area as they are now making it out to be). I mean, fantasy or not, it is still taking place into a medieval european inspired continent (and yes it is, despite what some wokies are saying, as evident by the prevailing culture and classes and basically bloody everything). Back then, 99% of the population was white.

Pathfinder 1st edition (which is essentially D&D 3.5 edition but under a different name, and was still respectful to the fans) had the rot slowly sink in, but at the very least the nations were still homogenous for the most part, and black token characters were from an international organization called the Pathfinders who travelled the world through ships and magic. They respected the logic that people would be landlocked in a medieval setting, even with the presence of magic (Castlevania the anime uses magic as a poor excuse to make europe diverse, except when the humans are doing messed up things then suddenly they are all white for some reason). So despite all the lesbian couples they would shove into your face (who at the very least were hot) it was still largely based on common sense and immersion. Of course, can't say the same for the new Pathfinder 2nd edition they put out, which feels too much like Dungeons & Dragons 4th edition.

I bought all the PF1E books, and have a PF1E group to play with now. Gonna stick to them as much as I can!

Enjoy that PF1E Game.  That's a big playground.

I, a trans PoC gamer, am personally the future of the industry. Deal with it.