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Are there other games that Gygax or Arneson published?

Started by Cathal, April 18, 2023, 09:55:34 PM

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Cathal

I recently found the game "Sagard the Barbarian" from Gary Gygax, and I'm curious how many books he published.

So did a quick search on internet and I found this site https://www.bookseriesinorder.com/gary-gygax/

How about Arneson? I only found one book Adventure Fantasy.

Are there other games or books that Gygax or Arneson published?
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Mishihari

Outside of D&D, I was only familiar with his Lejendary Adventure game, but a look at wikipedia shows these.  I'm curious if any of them are a good read too...

Other role-playing game related subjects

    The Official Advanced Dungeons & Dragons Coloring Album (1979)
    Hero's Challenge - Sagard the Barbarian gamebook:
        The Ice Dragon (1985) with Flint Dille
        The Green Hydra (1985) with Flint Dille
        The Crimson Sea (1985) with Flint Dille
        The Fire Demon (1986) with Flint Dille
    Role-Playing Mastery (1987)
    Master of the Game (1989)
    The Weyland Smith & Company Giant Fun Catalog (1999)
    Horsemen of the Apocalypse: Essays on Roleplaying (2000)
        with Jim Dietz, Richard Garfield, Greg Costikyan, Marc Miller, Matt Forbeck, Greg Stafford and Rick Loomis

Novels

    Greyhawk Adventure/Gord the Rogue series:
        Saga of Old City (1985)
        Artifact of Evil (1986)
        Sea of Death (1987)
        Night Arrant (1987, short stories)
        City of Hawks (1987)
        Come Endless Darkness (1988)
        Dance of Demons (1988)
    Dangerous Journeys novels:
        The Anubis Murders (1992)
        The Samarkand Solution (1993)
        Death in Delhi (1993)
        Infernal Sorceress (2008)


Svenhelgrim

Gygax wrote a game called Dangerous Journeys. 

I have never played it.

Grognard GM

Although he didn't write it, the mighty Gygax was the man behind the incomparable Cyborg Commando, a game whose quality defies description.
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jhkim

Cathal - I presume you've seen these from Wikipedia, but they should be mentioned. I haven't played any of Cyborg Commando, Dangerous Journeys, or Lejendary Adventure - but I've skimmed through all three.

Dungeons & Dragons (1974) with Dave Arneson
Boot Hill (1975) with Brian Blume and Don Kaye
Advanced Dungeons & Dragons:

  • Monster Manual (1977)
  • Players Handbook (1978)
  • Dungeon Masters Guide (1979)
Cyborg Commando (1987) with Frank Mentzer and Kim Mohan
Gary Gygax's Dangerous Journeys:

  • Mythus (1992)
  • Dangerous Journeys: Mythus Prime (1994)
Lejendary Adventure:

  • The Lejendary Rules for All Players (1999)
  • The Beasts of Lejend (2000)
  • The Lejend Master's Lore (2000)
  • Essentials (2005)

One could also look at some of his post-2000 adventures, which are less well-known:

  • d20 Sword & Sorcery: Gary Gygax's Necropolis (2002)
  • d20 system: Gary Gygax's the Hermit (2002)
  • Lejendary Adventure - Terekaptra: Lost City of the Utiss (2004)
  • d20 system: Gary Gygax's Hall of Many Panes (2005)
  • Lejendary Adventure - Living the Legend (2006)

S'mon

Also Castle Zagyg! I have the Yggsburgh hardback with its Darlene hex map (1 mile/hex), it's a very nice detailed sandbox.
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GamerforHire

I have always thought that, in the debate over the relative impact/importance of Gygax and Arneson, the fact that Arneson published so amazingly little and left such a long trail of unfulfilled promises and undelivered games speaks volumes about Arneson. If Gygax merely "typed up Arneson's notes" as some people insist is the accurate version of the story, then why is it that Arneson subsequently produced extremely little and Gygax an entire shelf of content—all while Gygax "managed" a company expanding by leaps and bounds.

(I put "managed" in quotes because most business experts question the wisdom of many of his choices. Nonetheless, making those choices unquestionably ate up time and energy.)

GhostNinja

Quote from: Grognard GM on April 19, 2023, 12:13:21 AM
Although he didn't write it, the mighty Gygax was the man behind the incomparable Cyborg Commando, a game whose quality defies description.

Yeah, not sure what he was thinking when he wrote that. 
Ghostninja

FingerRod

Quote from: GamerforHire on April 19, 2023, 08:50:20 AM
I have always thought that, in the debate over the relative impact/importance of Gygax and Arneson, the fact that Arneson published so amazingly little and left such a long trail of unfulfilled promises and undelivered games speaks volumes about Arneson. If Gygax merely "typed up Arneson's notes" as some people insist is the accurate version of the story, then why is it that Arneson subsequently produced extremely little and Gygax an entire shelf of content—all while Gygax "managed" a company expanding by leaps and bounds.

(I put "managed" in quotes because most business experts question the wisdom of many of his choices. Nonetheless, making those choices unquestionably ate up time and energy.)

Yes, there is no doubt that Gygax won the divorce. Just like there is no doubt this topic will kick up a hornet's nest from the Arneson camp. :)

But I do believe the post D&D publishing records by both says something. On one hand Dave really didn't  do anything. On the other, Gary never rekindled the magic. I believe they were undoubtedly better together.

Brad

Role-Playing Mastery and Master of the Game are...for lack of a better term, pure drudgery. I have both and have tried reading them straight through on multiple occasions. Let's just say it is difficult and unfulfilling for the most part. If you spend about twenty seconds Googling you can find both in PDF; maybe you'll have more luck than I did with reading comprehension.

Dangerous Journeys is a legitimately decent game, albeit pretty opaque in some places in true Gygaxian fashion. It's sad Gygax got sued because it is nothing like D&D for the most part. TSR just wanted to fuck with him, that much is apparent.

Arenson had a few RPG things, like the The First Fantasy Campaign, some D&D modules set in Blackmoor, and a much more recent Blackmoor book. It always felt like he definitely had a ghost writer or lots of editing help because none of these things matches the others in writing style. Contrast with Gygax who you can spot from a mile away.
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rkhigdon

Might have missed it, but Arneson was involved with the Adventures in Fantasy RPG, released in 1979 by Excalibre Games.

APN

I think I still have Cyborg Commando in shrink. Bought it to see if it was as bad as said. Read more reviews before opening up. Tried to sell it on ebay, no takers. It's sat unloved, still in shrink on the shelf ever since. Might be worth something when everyone else has burned their copies or thrown them in the trash. Just another 20-30 years to hang onto it, then I'll try sell it again.

Grognard GM

Quote from: GhostNinja on April 19, 2023, 08:51:53 AM
Quote from: Grognard GM on April 19, 2023, 12:13:21 AM
Although he didn't write it, the mighty Gygax was the man behind the incomparable Cyborg Commando, a game whose quality defies description.

Yeah, not sure what he was thinking when he wrote that.

I'm a middle aged guy with a lot of free time, looking for similar, to form a group for regular gaming. You should be chill, non-woke, and have time on your hands.

See below:

https://www.therpgsite.com/news-and-adverts/looking-to-form-a-group-of-people-with-lots-of-spare-time-for-regular-games/

GhostNinja

Quote from: APN on April 19, 2023, 11:34:58 AM
I think I still have Cyborg Commando in shrink. Bought it to see if it was as bad as said. Read more reviews before opening up. Tried to sell it on ebay, no takers. It's sat unloved, still in shrink on the shelf ever since. Might be worth something when everyone else has burned their copies or thrown them in the trash. Just another 20-30 years to hang onto it, then I'll try sell it again.

Someone is trying to sell a copy of Cyborg Commando on Ebay for $1599.99.  And they have two copies available.



Ghostninja

GhostNinja

Quote from: Grognard GM on April 19, 2023, 12:03:15 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on April 19, 2023, 08:51:53 AM
Quote from: Grognard GM on April 19, 2023, 12:13:21 AM
Although he didn't write it, the mighty Gygax was the man behind the incomparable Cyborg Commando, a game whose quality defies description.

Yeah, not sure what he was thinking when he wrote that.



Well I wasn't going to say it but I was thinking it.   The gif is 100% :)
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