Quote from: Spobo on April 25, 2025, 02:28:18 PM

Quote from: JanDevries on April 25, 2025, 12:47:53 PM

Quote from: Spobo on April 25, 2025, 10:26:14 AMThey went hard woke pretty quickly, which you can see with the dedicated LGBT supplement and the Flames of Freedom spinoff game that does a Hamilton-like pozzing of the American revolution.

No question that Zweihander is woke but the LGBT supplement is a third party product

I think it is official, it's published through their page on drivethru. https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/331633/lgbt-in-a-grim-and-perilous-world-supplement-for-zweihander-rpg?

So is all their third party stuff.

Quote from: Spobo on April 25, 2025, 02:28:18 PM

Quote from: JanDevries on April 25, 2025, 12:47:53 PMNo question that Zweihander is woke but the LGBT supplement is a third party product

I think it is official, it's published through their page on drivethru. https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/331633/lgbt-in-a-grim-and-perilous-world-supplement-for-zweihander-rpg?

3rd party or not, they are clearly down with the product being promoted under the zweihander label.

Don't buy from people that hate you.

The second-hand market is your friend...

Quote from: SHARK on April 25, 2025, 03:13:43 PM

Quote from: Man at Arms on April 25, 2025, 12:53:48 PM

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Quote from: Man at Arms on April 25, 2025, 12:31:34 AMI ordered the 384 page hardcover PHB, as possible RPG inspirational material.  The price is very reasonable right now, on Amaz, with free 2 day shipping, too.  So I gave in, and dropped the coin.

Anyway, this is a genuine inquiry; not an advertisement.  I have heard of the WFRPG, but i have never seen it in person.  I think I heard that Zweihander, is "very" similar.

What have I jumped off into?

Which version?   I really hope you're already aware that they're coming out with a new edition later this year and kickstarted it last year...

Yeah, I'm fine with that.  I'm just checking out my first d100 system.  I don't intend to buy all the books, and newer isn't always better, etc.

I'm interested in the lower fantasy / more dangerous consequences aspect of it.

Greetings!

Man At Arms, while I have heard some people praise Zweihander--like JanDevries--I have also not just read many others claiming that the game is terribly Woke--but I have read plenty of Mr. Daniel Fox and his discussions with others.

I'm also an old fan of WFRP. WFRP 2E was also outstanding. With Zweihander, I would advise you to save your money, and pass this game by entirely. "Don't give money to people that hate you!"--as the saying goes, right?

Of course, you can choose to swim upstream, as it were. I would proceed with strong caution though in making any purchases.

I wouldn't buy Zweihander.

If you are just chomping to get into a D100 system--I would say Mythras would be a safer bet. The guys at Black Lodge Games did a preview of Mythras, and praise the game very highly. No signs of that game being Woke, either.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Points well taken, SHARK.  My coin, has already been spent....  I'll see what I can get out of it.  I've heard that "Corruption" plays a role in the game?  I'm interested to read their take on that.  After this book;  I'm sure it will probably
be a quick, hard bounce away, for me.

I ran a campaign of it and it was great, though wiffier than I would like (part of that it the typical D100 issue of it being hard to get higher percentage values for character "stats" and a flat distribution). Very gritty and fun.

I bought a copy of it ages ago, and it's been sitting in a corner on my office floor for a couple of years now. The author's near-universal reputation for being a dickhead put me off, and if I want a WFRP retroclone, there's absolutely no reason I wouldn't just play Warlock! instead.

Quote from: PencilBoy99 on April 25, 2025, 06:37:35 PMI ran a campaign of it and it was great, though wiffier than I would like (part of that it the typical D100 issue of it being hard to get higher percentage values for character "stats" and a flat distribution). Very gritty and fun.

Perhaps some houseruled adjustments, would help tighten things up?  Adjust things to your liking?

I'm liking the concept of exploding dice, for damage rolls.

Quote from: ForgottenF on April 25, 2025, 10:41:22 PMI bought a copy of it ages ago, and it's been sitting in a corner on my office floor for a couple of years now. The author's near-universal reputation for being a dickhead put me off, and if I want a WFRP retroclone, there's absolutely no reason I wouldn't just play Warlock! instead.

Except for, you know, the fact that Warlock! isn't even close to being a WFRP retroclone. It's a modified version of Fighting Fantasy. Warlock! is awesome, and thematically has SOME similarities, but it is a different beast.

Quote from: Man at Arms on Today at 12:02:14 AM

Quote from: PencilBoy99 on April 25, 2025, 06:37:35 PMI ran a campaign of it and it was great, though wiffier than I would like (part of that it the typical D100 issue of it being hard to get higher percentage values for character "stats" and a flat distribution). Very gritty and fun.

Perhaps some houseruled adjustments, would help tighten things up?  Adjust things to your liking?

I'm liking the concept of exploding dice, for damage rolls.

The Difficulty Ratings are underutilized in my experience. They can definitely make things a lot less "whiffy". I usually keep the Skills section open as I'm GMing, since each Skill has benchmarks for adjusting the difficulty, depending on the situation.. And the broader ratings are on the character sheet.

Though I'm not a fan of metacurrencies, I like one thing about Zweihander's Fortune/Misfortune points: whenever the players use one, it flips to the GM, who can then use it in the exact same way, but against the PCs.

After watching character creation videos online, it seems that character creation is overly time consuming, for characters who might not survive very long?

Quote from: PencilBoy99 on April 25, 2025, 06:37:35 PMI ran a campaign of it and it was great, though wiffier than I would like (part of that it the typical D100 issue of it being hard to get higher percentage values for character "stats" and a flat distribution). Very gritty and fun.

Supposedly the outdated starter (which I have but never played) and the new edition are bumping up the stats to lessen the chance of constant failure.  I'll leave it to those who played them and the prior full edition as to whether it's the case beyond just a simple increase in the base starting stats.

Quote from: JanDevries on Today at 01:24:54 AM

QuoteI bought a copy of it ages ago, and it's been sitting in a corner on my office floor for a couple of years now. The author's near-universal reputation for being a dickhead put me off, and if I want a WFRP retroclone, there's absolutely no reason I wouldn't just play Warlock! instead.

Except for, you know, the fact that Warlock! isn't even close to being a WFRP retroclone. It's a modified version of Fighting Fantasy. Warlock! is awesome, and thematically has SOME similarities, but it is a different beast.

It's a bit more than some thematic similarities. It has an extremely similar career progression system (which is the single most distinctive feature of WFRP), many of the same professions, an emphasis on gruesome wound tables, and so on.

You're right that it isn't a retroclone. What I was trying to say (and admittedly didn't phrase properly) is that it serves the purpose of a retroclone. It runs the same kind of fantasy, and is easy and relatively seamless to convert WFRP adventures to. The only things that don't sync up are the lack of a corruption mechanic (which personally I don't care about) and the lack of different schools of magic (which you can easily homebrew in).