Quote from: yosemitemike on December 30, 2023, 08:22:49 AM
Your point being?

That there is a large Spanish-speaking local population in the Texas and nearby, who are not immigrants. Just useful info.

Quote from: pawsplay on December 30, 2023, 11:15:20 PM

Quote from: yosemitemike on December 30, 2023, 08:22:49 AM
Your point being?

That there is a large Spanish-speaking local population in the Texas and nearby, who are not immigrants. Just useful info.

and how is that relevant to anything I wrote?

Quote from: yosemitemike on December 30, 2023, 11:47:49 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on December 30, 2023, 11:15:20 PM

Quote from: yosemitemike on December 30, 2023, 08:22:49 AM
Your point being?

That there is a large Spanish-speaking local population in the Texas and nearby, who are not immigrants. Just useful info.

and how is that relevant to anything I wrote?

It's not. As is obvious by now, pawsplay's only interest is in dragging threads off-topic and onto themselves.

The fact that a shit hasn't already been booted as being a "poor fit" is an example of the difference between a free speech site and one run by the woke. Pundit doesn't ban people just for being a shit.

Quote from: yosemitemike on December 30, 2023, 11:47:49 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on December 30, 2023, 11:15:20 PM

Quote from: yosemitemike on December 30, 2023, 08:22:49 AM
Your point being?

That there is a large Spanish-speaking local population in the Texas and nearby, who are not immigrants. Just useful info.

and how is that relevant to anything I wrote?

You mentioned a multi-generational Spanish-speaking population in California. I made a comment about Texas. There is no deeper meaning.

Quote from: pawsplay on December 31, 2023, 10:38:48 AM
You mentioned a multi-generational Spanish-speaking population in California. I made a comment about Texas. There is no deeper meaning.

So it's just a non sequitur.  Okay.

Quote from: yosemitemike on December 31, 2023, 11:25:33 AM

Quote from: pawsplay on December 31, 2023, 10:38:48 AM
You mentioned a multi-generational Spanish-speaking population in California. I made a comment about Texas. There is no deeper meaning.

So it's just a non sequitur.  Okay.

Non sequitur means "it doesn't follow." My comment was a reply to yours.

I'm gonna initiate an actual tangent/topic jump, in the hopes of getting us back on track:

I feel like TTRPG related conventions have been getting worse in recent years from a political intolerance and panelist identity-demanding perspective. That said, I could be wrong on that. Are corporate conventions and public events, specifically, the ones going in that direction? Or is it indeed most conventions/the average which seems to be trending that way? Or am I wrong on this and there's some sort of counterculture I wasn't previously aware of that's been developing?

Quote from: KindaMeh on December 31, 2023, 12:28:01 PM
I feel like TTRPG related conventions have been getting worse in recent years from a political intolerance and panelist identity-demanding perspective. That said, I could be wrong on that. Are corporate conventions and public events, specifically, the ones going in that direction? Or is it indeed most conventions/the average which seems to be trending that way? Or am I wrong on this and there's some sort of counterculture I wasn't previously aware of that's been developing?

It's probably hard to get a big picture here. I regularly go to the four SF Bay Area conventions (DunDraCon, KublaCon, Big Bad Con, Pacificon) and to AmberCon Northwest in Portland.

I don't pay much attention to panelists at game conventions - I go there to play and run games. Of the SF Bay Area conventions, Big Bad Con most recently has had more industry involvement and also has been more overtly political (leftist). The others that I go to haven't changed significantly from the previous twenty years, as far as I can see (though again, I'm not paying attention to panels).

Quote from: KindaMeh on December 31, 2023, 12:28:01 PMI feel like TTRPG related conventions have been getting worse in recent years from a political intolerance and panelist identity-demanding perspective. That said, I could be wrong on that. Are corporate conventions and public events, specifically, the ones going in that direction? Or is it indeed most conventions/the average which seems to be trending that way? Or am I wrong on this and there's some sort of counterculture I wasn't previously aware of that's been developing?

A Youtuber who went to Gen Con was attacked by a mentally ill far Leftist, at an eatery near to the convention, and Gen Con permanently banned them both. Bear in mind that the Youtuber in question was sucker-punched while eating, and didn't fight back.

Conventions with safe rooms where white people aren't allowed.

Overly draconian interaction rules that de facto bar autistics, because they're unable to decipher the (often hidden or contradictory) subtleties.

Panels dumping designers and writers with decades of experience in the hobby because they're white and male, for diverse people with a combined experience less than your average single convention-goer.


People have to be either ideologically corrupt, or have suffered a major head injury, not to acknowledge the takeover. And that's not even getting into the general normiefication of gaming conventions, or how they turned into female cosplay events.

I knew some of that stuff existed, and that things have been bad at a lot of the conventions. But was unsure whether things were getting worse or better on the whole compared to say the relatively recent vaccine and masking requirement days. Also kind of just was hoping some areas might be unaffected or pushing back despite more general TTRPG corporate trends.

Sounds like jhkim has noticed a negative difference, but only in some of the conventions he attends, though presumably he'd have a notably higher bar for what qualifies. I myself don't get out much these days, and I'm not sure where one would find the metadata on all this, but was interested within the context of this thread topic. I do think that conventions are oftentimes woke and discriminatory, and that a lot of this is recent. Else I would not have mentioned it here, especially with respect to recent corporate trends. Still, was unsure of broader prospective ebb and flow there, for instance whether directly branded corporate events are more that way, and figured it might be topic relevant. *shrug*

Quote from: Grognard GM on December 31, 2023, 03:39:30 PM
Conventions with safe rooms where white people aren't allowed.

Let's phrase that differently. Conversation spaces that aren't forced to admit white people.

Quote from: pawsplay on December 31, 2023, 04:49:37 PM
Let's phrase that differently. Conversation spaces that aren't forced to admit white black people.

Yep, racist confirmed.

What's with the segregation and hiring discrimination push more generally within TTRPG corporate contexts? I ask because in most other service provision contexts, I'd say that at the very least the former would be frowned upon. The latter also wouldn't typically go to the point of outright disqualification on the basis of skin color, especially not with that being the stated intent in advance. Yet somehow here this is considered a marketing virtue and a survivable legal move? Something feels kind of off here, beyond just normal poor decision making and a weak moral compass. Either the corporations are right, and this is both what the public wants and what the courts will illegally tolerate, or there's been a significant distortion of corporate capacity to make reasonable decisions, I feel. Beyond the pale of elsewhere.

Quote from: pawsplay on December 31, 2023, 04:49:37 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on December 31, 2023, 03:39:30 PM
Conventions with safe rooms where white people aren't allowed.

Let's phrase that differently. Conversation spaces that aren't forced to admit white people.

Rephrasing this does not actually change what they are. Trying to paint the image with a different filter comes across as extremely insincere.

Quote from: Dropbear on December 31, 2023, 05:50:09 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on December 31, 2023, 04:49:37 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on December 31, 2023, 03:39:30 PM
Conventions with safe rooms where white people aren't allowed.

Let's phrase that differently. Conversation spaces that aren't forced to admit white people.

Rephrasing this does not actually change what they are. Trying to paint the image with a different filter comes across as extremely insincere.

I think at this point it's pretty apparent that pawsplay is posting in an insincere way to derail topics. I've put pawsplay on my very short ignore list as a reminder to not fall for the bait.