Quote from: Corolinth on December 07, 2023, 11:42:30 AM

Quote from: Brad on December 06, 2023, 04:56:14 AM
Whenever I'm in a social setting and someone starts off an argument by saying something like, "Well, I have a PhD, and this is my opinion..." I know immediately that the next thing out of their mouth is going to be the dumbest shit possible. Start off with some alleged credentials to make an idiotic statement appear to have merit. Same with, "Well I'm a POC. I'm a tranny" Who gives a fuck? Just proves you have nothing valuable to say and are hiding behind labels to avoid criticism.

Whenever I'm on the internet and someone mentions their PhD anywhere in an argument, I don't believe them unless they're willing to dox themselves.

I'm also not impressed by anyone's PhD, because I have three.

In general, I'm conditionally willing to believe people about their background, but if they're trying to show a point, they should still explain themselves and/or give references. If someone has a PhD, they should have experience giving references in discussion.

I think that's a part of normal social communication. People can and should talk about themselves, because it helps other people to see where they're coming from. There's a lot of bad habits in segments of Internet discussion.

Also, doxxing by definition is something done against someone else's will. I am not doxxing myself by using my real name here - it's just my choice.

Quote from: Corolinth on December 07, 2023, 11:42:30 AM
Whenever I'm on the internet and someone mentions their PhD anywhere in an argument, I don't believe them unless they're willing to dox themselves.

I'm also not impressed by anyone's PhD, because I have three.

Well, you're the only person in this thread who's mentioned they have one, much less less three. So, like, are you the bad guy from Jessica Jones?

Quote from: pawsplay on December 07, 2023, 03:07:40 PM
I didn't invite anyone to say PoC can't think for themselves.

That's okay, I just paraphrased Joe Biden and said it for you.

Quote from: Brad on December 08, 2023, 01:31:50 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on December 07, 2023, 03:07:40 PM
I didn't invite anyone to say PoC can't think for themselves.

That's okay, I just paraphrased Joe Biden and said it for you.

Oof. Yeah. "You ain't black!"... was not one of his finer moments. Biden even took some heat from the left on that one.

Quote from: pawsplay on December 06, 2023, 06:41:54 PM

Quote from: Brad on December 06, 2023, 04:56:14 AM

Quote from: pawsplay on December 06, 2023, 01:24:59 AM
Are you suggesting that a PoC, by virtue of being so, is incapable of reason? That's definitely a take.

Whenever I'm in a social setting and someone starts off an argument by saying something like, "Well, I have a PhD, and this is my opinion..." I know immediately that the next thing out of their mouth is going to be the dumbest shit possible. Start off with some alleged credentials to make an idiotic statement appear to have merit. Same with, "Well I'm a POC. I'm a tranny" Who gives a fuck? Just proves you have nothing valuable to say and are hiding behind labels to avoid criticism.

Funny how you keep talking about being some sort of racial minority based purely on color, while in another thread there's a clown saying race doesn't even exist. Fucking Schrodinger's racism.

I didn't start an argument. You put forward the thesis that trans POCs are automatons, or dare I say it, slaves. Incapable of thinking for themselves. I'm not trying to prove a point, I'm analyzing your words.

As for race... racism is real, and one of the qualities of it is believing things about race that aren't true. Race is, at best, a demographic category, and often a superficial one at that. Yet the societal attitudes surrounding race affect the destinies of billions of people. For instance, the Age of Sail era belief that PoC lacked reason and needed to be trained, and could be exploited, by white people.

There are fundamental biological differences between different races.

Human don't come up with words for things for no reason. We notice differences, and then label them.

Back on topic. Whatever that was...

It sure feels like the woke are turning more and more companies and making inroads everywhere.

There is some pushback. But its been feeble so far or just lip service.

Also, the age of sail belief that people could be exploited was obviously correct, since they did in fact exploit people - because all people can be enslaved. Which is why every race has been enslaved.

And you still haven't answered me, pawsplay. Tell me how we should determine which things are significant, you communist coward.

Oh, jolly. Since I last visited we have had a PhDick measuring contest.

Academic credentials vary wildly in quality and content depending on the institution and the subject matter, but by and large over the last 15 years academic degrees have changed and are now more about conditioning specific behaviors and attitudes out of the students than providing them with knowledge and critical thinking skills. The majority of post-grad degrees in particular are an attempt to buy time for Aversion Therapy from A Clockwork Orange to take effect while they set you upon a Sisyphusian worthless task that adds no value to anyone's life except to be cited by other people going through Aversion Training.

I am sorry for people who got swindled into 6 figures of debt, but if you've actually got the chops the degree should have given you, then you don't need to dox the degree to prove you know something meaningful. You should just know something meaningful you can add to conversation. If you can't do that, your degree was worthless even if you do dox it. By their fruits ye shall know them.

Quote from: Omega on December 11, 2023, 05:11:28 AM
Back on topic. Whatever that was...

It sure feels like the woke are turning more and more companies and making inroads everywhere.

There is some pushback. But its been feeble so far or just lip service.

Bankruptcy is probably the only way to solve this. A lot of this is self-perpetuating machinery established in conventions, which most RPG-industry aspirees feel compelled to go and act the part if they actually want to succeed. The entire point is that they will only let you succeed through these venues if you sacrifice to the Caesar of Wokeness.

The wokies continue to infest more companies, destroying those companies, thereby forcing the non-woke to keep moving and forming new companies to avoid the infection. It keeps going and never lets up.

The absolute worst people I've chatted with are those who refuse to give up on compromised companies/IPs and insist that I'm defeatist and stupid (because of course they can't support their argument and must resort to ad hominem) for suggesting that they patronize different companies or try their hand at game design. They're so loyal to a particular brand that they stubbornly insist that everything would be perfect if we just followed the plans in their imagination that never disappoint them.

This is why nothing gets done anymore. People are being brainwashed to forget how capitalism works and treat brands like religions that they must adhere to forever or their souls are damned. Inventing your own thing? Witchcraft! Burn the heretic!

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on December 11, 2023, 10:23:02 AM
The wokies continue to infest more companies, destroying those companies, thereby forcing the non-woke to keep moving and forming new companies to avoid the infection. It keeps going and never lets up.

The absolute worst people I've chatted with are those who refuse to give up on compromised companies/IPs and insist that I'm defeatist and stupid (because of course they can't support their argument and must resort to ad hominem) for suggesting that they patronize different companies or try their hand at game design. They're so loyal to a particular brand that they stubbornly insist that everything would be perfect if we just followed the plans in their imagination that never disappoint them.

This is why nothing gets done anymore. People are being brainwashed to forget how capitalism works and treat brands like religions that they must adhere to forever or their souls are damned. Inventing your own thing? Witchcraft! Burn the heretic!

Outside RPGs the worst case I've seen was a few (but thankfully just a few) Tolkien fans who thought that they "must" like the Rings of Power show, just because some idiots slapped Tolkien's name on it. The good news is that most Tolkien fans resoundingly rejected the show, and the consensus seems to be that Amazon messed with the wrong fandom.

Quote from: Trond on December 11, 2023, 10:55:30 AM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on December 11, 2023, 10:23:02 AM
The wokies continue to infest more companies, destroying those companies, thereby forcing the non-woke to keep moving and forming new companies to avoid the infection. It keeps going and never lets up.

The absolute worst people I've chatted with are those who refuse to give up on compromised companies/IPs and insist that I'm defeatist and stupid (because of course they can't support their argument and must resort to ad hominem) for suggesting that they patronize different companies or try their hand at game design. They're so loyal to a particular brand that they stubbornly insist that everything would be perfect if we just followed the plans in their imagination that never disappoint them.

This is why nothing gets done anymore. People are being brainwashed to forget how capitalism works and treat brands like religions that they must adhere to forever or their souls are damned. Inventing your own thing? Witchcraft! Burn the heretic!

Outside RPGs the worst case I've seen was a few (but thankfully just a few) Tolkien fans who thought that they "must" like the Rings of Power show, just because some idiots slapped Tolkien's name on it. The good news is that most Tolkien fans resoundingly rejected the show, and the consensus seems to be that Amazon messed with the wrong fandom.

In my experience, all the best works are created by single authors with coherent creative visions. Anything that passes through multiple authors inevitably falls apart, even without the political agenda at the root of problems over the last decade. That doesn't mean single authors cannot make mistakes if they aren't reined in (e.g. Ridley Scott, George Lucas), but in general problems are far less likely to occur if you have a single creative director who is competent and knows when and not to compromise. Although, a good creative director knows that works must have beginnings, middles, and ends. You can't keep something going for multiple decades without something going wrong.

This is why it is so important that 1) we be more open to reboots to address unruly continuity, and 2) we be more open to making new things and lots of them. Far too many terminally online people are obsessed with canon and memberberries at the expense of actual storytelling.

There's no shortage of IPs I once liked that have gone in terrible directions and I'm frustrated that I lack alternatives. There's no shortage of dead IPs that I wish weren't dead. I can't revive dead IPs due to that pesky copyright law, but I can make new things. The problem is getting other people interested. Because of the dogmatic elitist tribalism problem, people are very resistant to getting into new things unless it's really shiny and their current interests are going thru hard times.

Quote from: Omega on December 11, 2023, 05:11:28 AM
Back on topic. Whatever that was...

It sure feels like the woke are turning more and more companies and making inroads everywhere.

There is some pushback. But its been feeble so far or just lip service.

Disney lost 1 Billion this year alone in their movies/tv Shows and their stock is still dipping.

Hasbro stock is also down and their toys heading for a lanfill since not even at 1 dollar Ollies can sell them.

Inside of Hasbro, WotC's book sales are worst with each new political panflet they publish.

Comic Book Stores are closing and the American Comic Book industry's sales are tanking when you measure by issue, of course there's still enough idiots buying the overpriced toilet paper, but with each new price increase more dip out.

Dr. LGBTQ's viewership is also tanking even in the specials with David Tennant.

Hollyweird is loosing money hand over fist, the audience is rejecting their wokery

The ESG scam lost 5 TRILLION value in just 2 years (still worth something like 30 Trillion so it's not the time to cry victory YET).

Bud Light never recovered and it won't for at least 5 years to a decade, it's parent company stock is down too.

Target is closing stores.

Universities are running away from the anti-semites, scrambling to keep their funding.

No, I would say that, despite companies like Goodma'am Games looking like they just became woke (they didn't they already were as evidenced by their Burn Loot Murder virtue signal), the tides are turning.

Sure, it will take years before it's evident to all but it took decades to get to where we are now.

Take solace, roll those bones and have fun supporting games by people that don't hate you. (Like my upcomming OSR Pulp RPG).

There's never been a better time to make your own work and sell it. I'm surprised we're not seeing more of that. Where's the new urban fantasy trying to compete with Paradox?

Quote from: Domina on December 11, 2023, 01:02:43 AM
There are fundamental biological differences between different races.

Human don't come up with words for things for no reason. We notice differences, and then label them.

Okay, so you haven't kept up with any science on, well, anything, since about 1938. Good to know.

Quote from: Domina on December 11, 2023, 08:57:28 AM
Also, the age of sail belief that people could be exploited was obviously correct, since they did in fact exploit people - because all people can be enslaved. Which is why every race has been enslaved.

That part is certainly true. I believe that in the long run, we live more productive lives when we aren't maximally exploited, but in fact, live as free people. I'm not sure where you stand on that, but you do, you.

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And you still haven't answered me, pawsplay. Tell me how we should determine which things are significant, you communist coward.

That's just your confession that you can't tell what is significant or worthwhile.

A human life is significant. Not always great, not always successful, or viable, or well-cared for. But it is the basic atom of the moral universe. If you can't recognize that, it's not my moral composition that is defective.

Quote from: pawsplay on December 11, 2023, 06:52:02 PMOkay, so you haven't kept up with any science on, well, anything, since about 1938. Good to know.

Like there aren't entire sub-fields of Science that you won't ignore or decry at the drop of a garish hat.

"Follow the Science!*"

*Unless it finds something contrary to my ideology.