Quote from: migo on October 25, 2023, 08:55:05 AM
I'm not American, and have spent less than 24 hours in my entire life inside American borders.

It's the same shit outside America too.

Can confirm from Northern Europe and Canada. Sweden is possibly worst since they fell hard for feminism and self flagellation a long time ago, though I haven't spent that much time in Sweden specifically

Quote from: Trond on October 25, 2023, 11:25:50 AM

Quote from: migo on October 25, 2023, 08:55:05 AM
I'm not American, and have spent less than 24 hours in my entire life inside American borders.

It's the same shit outside America too.

Can confirm from Northern Europe and Canada. Sweden is possibly worst since they fell hard for feminism and self flagellation a long time ago, though I haven't spent that much time in Sweden specifically

I would expect that in Sweden ttRPGs don't stand out compared to other hobbies and sub-cultures as having been so thoroughly SJW-infested, not because they're not thoroughly infested, but because others are just as bad.

I'm going to give you the long end of the stick, as said, I'm by no means an expert, just throwing my two cents for all it's worth.

Quote from: Kage2020 on October 24, 2023, 10:01:36 PM
blah, blah blah... you're wrong blah, blah, blah... you're lying  blah, blah, blah... you are small brained

You asked so I provided an honest, albeit low resolution answer to your earlier inquiry.  If you had been inquisitive rather than dismissive, I could have given you a solid list of links and articles for you to dig through. As it is, you're just one more leftist that is pushing an agenda by gaslighting.  I have receipts for everything I've said.  I don't see the need to spend anymore energy as it is now.

Quote from: BadApple on October 25, 2023, 11:38:21 AM

Quote from: Kage2020 on October 24, 2023, 10:01:36 PM
blah, blah blah... you're wrong blah, blah, blah... you're lying  blah, blah, blah... you are small brained

You asked so I provided an honest, albeit low resolution answer to your earlier inquiry.  If you had been inquisitive rather than dismissive, I could have given you a solid list of links and articles for you to dig through. As it is, you're just one more leftist that is pushing an agenda by gaslighting.  I have receipts for everything I've said.  I don't see the need to spend anymore energy as it is now.

Centrist, actually.

The "low resolution" post garnered a "low resolution" response. Absolutely nothing in there is not demonstrable with a little bit of DuckDuckGo'ing outside of right-wing idealogues and news media.

I was grateful for the response, but the arguments presented were a-factual where noted.

I guess it depends on what you mean by "overwhelming" and "woke." Do the majority of game writers prefer not to insult their customer case and prefer not to propagate reactionary viewpoints, including ones that in many cases would oppress themselves? Yeah. OTOH, the idea that the game industry is "woke" is a joke, it still overwhelmingly caters to a white cishet male viewpoint, a mainstream viewpoint that mirrors everything out in the real world. Leftists *wish* game companies were real leftists. But as it is, we've reached the level of "reasonably polite." Which some people hate.

Quote from: BadApple on October 25, 2023, 11:38:21 AM

Quote from: Kage2020 on October 24, 2023, 10:01:36 PM
blah, blah blah... you're wrong blah, blah, blah... you're lying  blah, blah, blah... you are small brained

You asked so I provided an honest, albeit low resolution answer to your earlier inquiry.  If you had been inquisitive rather than dismissive, I could have given you a solid list of links and articles for you to dig through. As it is, you're just one more leftist that is pushing an agenda by gaslighting.  I have receipts for everything I've said.  I don't see the need to spend anymore energy as it is now.

Leftist pretending to be a moderate while trashing Christianity. Same old song and dance.

Quote from: pawsplay on November 26, 2023, 12:17:15 AM
I guess it depends on what you mean by "overwhelming" and "woke." Do the majority of game writers prefer not to insult their customer case and prefer not to propagate reactionary viewpoints, including ones that in many cases would oppress themselves? Yeah. OTOH, the idea that the game industry is "woke" is a joke, it still overwhelmingly caters to a white cishet male viewpoint, a mainstream viewpoint that mirrors everything out in the real world. Leftists *wish* game companies were real leftists. But as it is, we've reached the level of "reasonably polite." Which some people hate.

So having a guy from the biggest RPG company say that white men like him can't leave the hobby soon enough is catering "to a white cishet male viewpoint", is it? And it's a 'level of "reasonably polite"'? Got it.

Quote from: Krazz on November 26, 2023, 10:37:33 AM
So having a guy from the biggest RPG company say that white men like him can't leave the hobby soon enough is catering "to a white cishet male viewpoint", is it? And it's a 'level of "reasonably polite"'? Got it.

I'm not a spokesman for whiners.

Quote from: pawsplay on November 26, 2023, 12:21:04 PM

Quote from: Krazz on November 26, 2023, 10:37:33 AM
So having a guy from the biggest RPG company say that white men like him can't leave the hobby soon enough is catering "to a white cishet male viewpoint", is it? And it's a 'level of "reasonably polite"'? Got it.

I'm not a spokesman for whiners.

Let me explain in more detail. You said some things, without providing any evidence. I then showed that the very biggest company in the RPG world was taking action that went directly contrary to what you said, putting all you claim in considerable doubt. Reasonable options for you at that point were:

1) Admit that you were wrong
2) Provide plentiful examples of the opposite, to show that your original opinion was based on fact rather than pulled out of your corpulent behind
3) Call everyone Nazis and claim that you're on the right side of history

But you didn't take one of those options. You made a cryptic comment about just being a whiner rather than a spokeman for whiners. Now pick one of the options. And there's a slight trick;;only two of the options were actually reasonable. Reasonable people can tell the difference, but people who use words such as "reactionary" and "cishet" struggle on that one.

Quote from: pawsplay....the idea that the game industry is "woke" is a joke, it still overwhelmingly caters to a white cishet male viewpoint...

Quote from: pawsplay on November 26, 2023, 12:21:04 PM

I'm not a spokesman for whiners.

That's odd because you really sound like one.

Quote from: Krazz on November 26, 2023, 12:50:03 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on November 26, 2023, 12:21:04 PM

Quote from: Krazz on November 26, 2023, 10:37:33 AM
So having a guy from the biggest RPG company say that white men like him can't leave the hobby soon enough is catering "to a white cishet male viewpoint", is it? And it's a 'level of "reasonably polite"'? Got it.

I'm not a spokesman for whiners.

Let me explain in more detail. You said some things, without providing any evidence. I then showed that the very biggest company in the RPG world was taking action that went directly contrary to what you said, putting all you claim in considerable doubt. Reasonable options for you at that point were:

1) Admit that you were wrong
2) Provide plentiful examples of the opposite, to show that your original opinion was based on fact rather than pulled out of your corpulent behind
3) Call everyone Nazis and claim that you're on the right side of history

But you didn't take one of those options. You made a cryptic comment about just being a whiner rather than a spokeman for whiners. Now pick one of the options. And there's a slight trick;;only two of the options were actually reasonable. Reasonable people can tell the difference, but people who use words such as "reactionary" and "cishet" struggle on that one.

You were the one who put forward a thesis, that the hobby is in trouble because one white dude says it is. So feel free to defend that viewpoint.

Quote from: pawsplay on November 26, 2023, 02:18:40 PM

Quote from: Krazz on November 26, 2023, 12:50:03 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on November 26, 2023, 12:21:04 PM

Quote from: Krazz on November 26, 2023, 10:37:33 AM
So having a guy from the biggest RPG company say that white men like him can't leave the hobby soon enough is catering "to a white cishet male viewpoint", is it? And it's a 'level of "reasonably polite"'? Got it.

I'm not a spokesman for whiners.

Let me explain in more detail. You said some things, without providing any evidence. I then showed that the very biggest company in the RPG world was taking action that went directly contrary to what you said, putting all you claim in considerable doubt. Reasonable options for you at that point were:

1) Admit that you were wrong
2) Provide plentiful examples of the opposite, to show that your original opinion was based on fact rather than pulled out of your corpulent behind
3) Call everyone Nazis and claim that you're on the right side of history

But you didn't take one of those options. You made a cryptic comment about just being a whiner rather than a spokeman for whiners. Now pick one of the options. And there's a slight trick;;only two of the options were actually reasonable. Reasonable people can tell the difference, but people who use words such as "reactionary" and "cishet" struggle on that one.

You were the one who put forward a thesis, that the hobby is in trouble because one white dude says it is. So feel free to defend that viewpoint.

No, that's a bare-faced lie. You were the one who put forward a "thesis":

Quote from: pawsplay on November 26, 2023, 12:17:15 AM
the idea that the game industry is "woke" is a joke, it still overwhelmingly caters to a white cishet male viewpoint

I attacked that, and you've been unable to defend it. The burden of proof lies with you, because you made the original claim. And neither I, nor the person I quoted, claimed that "the hobby is in trouble". I suggest working on your reading comprehension. But since you want more evidence, why don't you peruse the amber and especially red lists here:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RlX78Yw9lbUMk2QwAZdpwNRGAd4Xe69eFgnFymWz6M0/edit#heading=h.s9uvg7c5ig4j

So now you have to come back with even more evidence to back up your claim. And so far, you've failed to produce any evidence at all. All you've done is whine.

Quote from: Krazz on November 26, 2023, 02:27:34 PM
So now you have to come back with even more evidence to back up your claim. And so far, you've failed to produce any evidence at all. All you've done is whine.

Ah, the classic rubber-glue maneuver.

Quote from: pawsplay on November 26, 2023, 03:37:47 PM

Quote from: Krazz on November 26, 2023, 02:27:34 PM
So now you have to come back with even more evidence to back up your claim. And so far, you've failed to produce any evidence at all. All you've done is whine.

Ah, the classic rubber-glue maneuver.

As I thought: you can't back up your claim with even a single piece of evidence. Thanks for playing. Next time, come prepared. Or better yet, choose a position based on fact rather than your feelings.