Just so I'm sure what it means here, what is the definition of "woke"? Please don't dog pile on me or anything, but the term has been subverted so many times that I'm not sure what it means anymore.

Quote from: Spinachcat on October 23, 2023, 05:10:22 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on October 23, 2023, 03:37:23 PMMost of the OSR avoids anything woke.  Old School Essentials is definitive OUT of politics.  Meaning the write content for people to like, not get politically indoctrinated.

Which is the ONLY smart path.

I don't want nor need a MAGA RPG. I won't buy woke crap (even good stuff with a whiff of woke), so all I want/need is great RPGs without any woketardia and those companies ONLY will get my dollars.

I mean who would want to play an orange troll who became king of the kingdom through hard work beating the evil witch only to be overthrown by an evil wizard of tabulation and lies, yet comes back to fight for the people to protect them from the coming soul harvest for the evil wizard of tabulation adenocrhome ghouls?  I mean, it has possibilities.

Ignore this post. I should have waited for the definite of woke so I can figure out what "anti-woke" is here.

Quote from: Kage2020 on October 23, 2023, 06:01:48 PM
Just so I'm sure what it means here, what is the definition of "woke"? Please don't dog pile on me or anything, but the term has been subverted so many times that I'm not sure what it means anymore.

Here's my one-the-spot definition.

Woke: the usurpation of the struggles of others by the management class for their own gain.

Quote from: rytrasmi on October 23, 2023, 06:24:51 PM
Here's my one-the-spot definition.

Woke: the usurpation of the struggles of others by the management class for their own gain.

So, and as it was mentioned above, pronouns are being usurped by the "management class" (not sure quite what this is) for their own gain?

Quote from: Kage2020 on October 23, 2023, 06:34:55 PM

Quote from: rytrasmi on October 23, 2023, 06:24:51 PM
Here's my one-the-spot definition.

Woke: the usurpation of the struggles of others by the management class for their own gain.

So, and as it was mentioned above, pronouns are being usurped by the "management class" (not sure quite what this is) for their own gain?

Here let's help you out, its and ideological bent changed by the will of social media.  There is little to no logic based on woke thought, its whatever the social media tells them to believe, they will parrot it back to stay in the in group.

It's sad and pathetic, but you could call them the sheep faction of people.  When you look at a guy who says its gay not to suck the female cock, hmm... What's wrong with that, well first a female doesn't have a cock, next its gay for a male to suck a cock, but to a woke weak leftard male its perfectly sane.  Why?  Social media algo told them it was.

Right now its a fun time because we are watching with social media which algo will win and which side the leftards will pick, pro-Hamas or pro-Israel, the woketards don't know what is safe to pick right now.  They have to be in the in group or they get exiled and then hated by the same leftards they were part of.  Look at feminists who disagreed that women have cocks, congrats they are now the outgroup and called terfs, social media algo pushed that fucked up narrative.

Best, stay the fuck off social media, join clubs in your community, school your children at home, go to your place of worship and stay the fuck away from the woke.  They will suck the joy out of everything joyful.

Quote from: Kage2020 on October 23, 2023, 06:34:55 PM

Quote from: rytrasmi on October 23, 2023, 06:24:51 PM
Here's my one-the-spot definition.

Woke: the usurpation of the struggles of others by the management class for their own gain.

So, and as it was mentioned above, pronouns are being usurped by the "management class" (not sure quite what this is) for their own gain?

If a trans person wants to be called a certain pronoun, they can ask their friends who will probably agree. Pronoun policies is the management class meddling for their own gain.

https://www.city-journal.org/article/wokeness-the-highest-stage-of-managerialism

Woke managers (for lack of a better word) are trying to become the new priest class. You must pay them. You must listen to them. If you don't, you will be excommunicated.

Quote from: Kage2020 on October 23, 2023, 06:01:48 PM
Just so I'm sure what it means here, what is the definition of "woke"? Please don't dog pile on me or anything, but the term has been subverted so many times that I'm not sure what it means anymore.

My personal take is that "woke" is a combination of left-wing thought, intolerance of disagreement, and coercion to conform to aforesaid thought.  Dunno if there's a more accepted definition floating around.

Quote from: Kage2020 on October 23, 2023, 06:22:06 PM
Ignore this post.

Gah, Pink Elephant Paradox!

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on October 23, 2023, 06:18:46 PM
I don't want nor need a MAGA RPG.

What would a MAGA RPG even look like? Random tweets that make people lose their mind combined with Leaving everyone alone unless they mess with you? Spend too much tax money, but still half of what the other guy spends? It would probably be a pretty dull game compared to the liberal game which is basically Paranoia.

Okay, my takeaway from the (flawed) City Journal article and commentary herein, along with a preference for the original definition of "woke" as opposed to how it is (mis)used now, suggests that I should stay the f*ck away from political discussion on this forum as much as I do from them on RPG.net and for similar reasons.

At least I learned it early on so that I can focus on the gaming stuff sans politics.

Quote from: Kage2020 on October 23, 2023, 09:23:50 PM
Okay, my takeaway from the (flawed) City Journal article and commentary herein, along with a preference for the original definition of "woke" as opposed to how it is (mis)used now, suggests that I should stay the f*ck away from political discussion on this forum as much as I do from them on RPG.net and for similar reasons.

At least I learned it early on.

Your choice, your opinion. But you won't be banned for expressing it here.

I never said my definition was definitive. I said the opposite. That's only one article among many.

Nobody has prepackaged answers for you.

PS: You can swear here. "Fuck." See? Welcome to our little slice of paradise!

Quote from: Coffeecup on October 23, 2023, 05:28:36 PM
Here is one excerpt from the German quickstart:

QuoteIn der Cohors Arcana gibt es fünf sogenannte Officia (deutsch: Ämter, Singular: Officium), die davon abhängen, welchem Ausbildungspfad der*die jeweilige Custos gefolgt ist: Diplomat*in, Gelehrte*r, Krieger*in, Kundschafter*in oder Seher*in.

Hey now. Male/female nouns are offensive to 0.1% of the population. Clearly the German language needs to be made unreadable to get around that. Or you should all just learn English which doesn't have oppressively gendered nouns.

Quote from: Kage2020 on October 23, 2023, 09:23:50 PM
Okay, my takeaway from the (flawed) City Journal article and commentary herein, along with a preference for the original definition of "woke" as opposed to how it is (mis)used now, suggests that I should stay the f*ck away from political discussion on this forum as much as I do from them on RPG.net and for similar reasons.

At least I learned it early on so that I can focus on the gaming stuff sans politics.

We frequently talk about politics in the realm of RPG games and industry.  Frequently we disagree.  Honest discussion is encouraged.  If the topic wanders too far from RPGs then the thread will probably be shut down but We are warned before drastic action is taken.

Quote from: rytrasmi on October 23, 2023, 09:30:05 PM
Your choice, your opinion. But you won't be banned for expressing it here.

I never said my definition was definitive. I said the opposite. That's only one article among many.

Nobody has prepackaged answers for you.

And that's fair enough, and apologies. There was just so much packed into that in terms of anti-education, blue collar vs. white collar shenanigans, etc. that it was harder to separate what was "woke" other than a scare word.

My understanding of the term "woke" was that it was created pre-Civil Rights era to address those that understood the specific plights of the disenfranchised/minorities. That it might be applied to groups that might consider themselves to be disenfranchised would make sense.

I'm not quite sure how that gels with the definitions being offered herein, nor with why pronouns have come such a prominent feature of the game industry. (I'm remembering Unisystems's habit of switching from "he" to "she" every other chapter..)

Maybe it all comes down to being a European-born individual educated in Europe, now an American working in American higher education on programs related to Homeland Security. Suffice to say, confusion abounds. And I live in Virginia, which means that it gets even more confusing. O.o

Quote from: rytrasmi on October 23, 2023, 09:30:05 PM
PS: You can swear here. "Fuck." See? Welcome to our little slice of paradise!

If I say it here I'm sure that I'm going to drop it in front of my <10 year-old son.

Not that he hasn't heard it. The ribald humour on the school bus is ever writ large.