Quote from: Neoplatonist1 on April 02, 2023, 01:33:17 PM

If one of the teams was called the Nashville N*****s would you feel the same?

LOL

Why bother trying to make an argument when the Marxists do it for you?

Quote from: Omega on April 02, 2023, 09:10:43 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 31, 2023, 04:57:00 PM
Not this shit again!

You know what? We should just agree with them, let them tear apart D&D and make it as "Anti-Racist" as they want, what the fuck do I care? I'm not buying ANY WotC sludge, I'm not playing ANYTHING they ever created and I have plenty of Books/Games/Supplements for the rest of my life (but will still buy something that interests me).

I told Pundit a couple of years back (maybe more) that D&D isn't the hobby and the sooner it's destroyed the better for the hobby.

We should help the woketards to destroy it, edge them on, then -when the hobby sinks back into obscurity- we can go back to playing in peace.

So you stand by and do nothing when they come for your D&D.
Do you stand by and do nothing when they come for your OSR?
When they come for the FLGS?

Standing by and doing nothing is how we got in this damn situation.

Official D&D was done the second WotC bought it from TSR.

WotC will not change what they are doing. And nothing you can do will change that.

Luckily, "official" D&D isn't the hobby.

Support games and companies that don't hate you, and gatekeep the fuck out of your neck of the woods.

Let's put it this way, I'm white and from a decidedly blue collar background.  Most of my family, including my parents, did not go to college nor did they save money to put me through it.  I'm not an elite, but I was smart enough to get into college and keep going through grad school because I found a field of study I loved.  But I had to work, take out loans (which I paid back) and struggle through yet I'm not running around claiming victimhood.

But if you want to call your team the White Trash Honkey Crackers, this has zero impact on me and my self-perception.  Nor does it affect my economic status. 

I've spent a fair amount of my life living in East Asia, where I'm an obvious minority and people will stare at you and denigrate you to your face, assuming you don't speak the language.  Again, does not affect my self-perception or sense of self-worth, nor do I whine about their systemic racism.  In fact, the lack of political correctness over there is refreshing.  I just roll with it, demonstrate that I do in fact understand the language and culture and move on.  But their stereotypes and representations of non-Asians don't bother me; I have better things to do than cry about that stuff.

The fact is, the rationale for using Indian names and symbols in the first place was to emphasize positive characteristics of toughness and valor.  Hell, Native Americans designed the freakin' logo for the Washington Redskins.  So claims of "appropriation" or whatever in that case are pretty hollow.

Also, it occurred to me, what did that guy say about the Atruaghin Clans gazetteer?  We simply thought it was cool at the time because you got interesting new PC options.  It was "Cool, we can create fighters based on the Sioux," rather than Medieval knights.  The same was true for the other gazetteers.  They were actually trying to be inclusive in the norms of the time.

Quote from: Omega on April 02, 2023, 09:10:43 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 31, 2023, 04:57:00 PM
Not this shit again!

You know what? We should just agree with them, let them tear apart D&D and make it as "Anti-Racist" as they want, what the fuck do I care? I'm not buying ANY WotC sludge, I'm not playing ANYTHING they ever created and I have plenty of Books/Games/Supplements for the rest of my life (but will still buy something that interests me).

I told Pundit a couple of years back (maybe more) that D&D isn't the hobby and the sooner it's destroyed the better for the hobby.

We should help the woketards to destroy it, edge them on, then -when the hobby sinks back into obscurity- we can go back to playing in peace.

So you stand by and do nothing when they come for your D&D.
Do you stand by and do nothing when they come for your OSR?
When they come for the FLGS?

Standing by and doing nothing is how we got in this damn situation.

Official current shinny thing D&D is dead, you can cry to high heavens there's nothing you, me or all of us together can do to make Ha$bro change course.
The OSR is perfectly safe, at least from infiltration by the woketards, it's a decentralized non-entity there's not a single `point they can infiltrate and control all of it. (Which is why they haven't managed to do it.
The FLGS are, sadly, fucked; just like Comic Book Shops, Funko is crashing, MtG is going down slowly, there's not a single TTRPG that would be able to keep them afloat, and worst yet, most or a big plurality are run by blue haired woketards, nothing I can do, "MY" FLGS closed a while ago because there's not enough market around here.

But, IF there's some non woke FLGS around they may survive the purge, if not and there's REALLY any money to be made running one others will fill the niche.

Furthermore, I'm not "doing nothing", I'm supporting and promoting the games and creators I like while not giving a hard earned peso to those who hate me.

"Or orcs racist?"

Only if you are stupid.

For the majority of real gamers, no one even thinks that way.  Orcs are just orcs.  Have them in my game and don't think about them any way but they are orcs.  But I am guessing the people who think that way only buy games and don't actually play them.

But who knows, maybe they are just stupid.

Quote from: The Spaniard on April 01, 2023, 03:45:59 PM
It's been said before, but I'll say it again.  The fact that those wacko progressives think orcs are some kind of code for black people says a lot more about them than it does about us.  Not in a good way.

I've found that the people who are making this argument fall into three categories:

1) Those that want a job at WotC as a cultural sensitivity reader
2) Those that want players to stop playing D&D (and this includes WotC trying to get people to stop playing older editions)
3) People too scared to contradict the safe narrative.

I haven't seen anyone who believes this sincerely.

Quote from: hedgehobbit on April 02, 2023, 07:16:54 PM
I've found that the people who are making this argument fall into three categories:

1) Those that want a job at WotC as a cultural sensitivity reader

A job that should not exist at all.

Quote from: hedgehobbit on April 02, 2023, 07:16:54 PM2) Those that want players to stop playing D&D (and this includes WotC trying to get people to stop playing older editions)

They will never be able to make this happen.  Ever.

Quote from: hedgehobbit on April 02, 2023, 07:16:54 PM3) People too scared to contradict the safe narrative.

AKA Weak people.  The sooner the hobby dumps them, the better.

Some guy did a psychology study a while back and found no correlation. https://areomagazine.com/2022/02/04/evil-orcs-accusations-of-racism-in-dungeons-and-dragons/

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 03, 2023, 11:39:59 AM
Some guy did a psychology study a while back and found no correlation. https://areomagazine.com/2022/02/04/evil-orcs-accusations-of-racism-in-dungeons-and-dragons/

Good read, thanks for the link

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 03, 2023, 11:39:59 AM
Some guy did a psychology study a while back and found no correlation. https://areomagazine.com/2022/02/04/evil-orcs-accusations-of-racism-in-dungeons-and-dragons/

Great article.  I am going to post the link to this any time someone tries to make the comparison. 

QuoteMaking fictional monster races less evil, removing controversial topics like slavery from the game—or locating adventures in buildings that resemble university dorms, complete with wheelchair-accessible dungeons—is taking a safetyism approach to gaming—treating players as if they were made of spun glass. In countenancing these changes, we may in a small way be contributing to what, in the US, experts have identified as our country's mental health crisis.

"Harm" as the dominant moral mode of the West.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 03, 2023, 11:39:59 AM
Some guy did a psychology study a while back and found no correlation. https://areomagazine.com/2022/02/04/evil-orcs-accusations-of-racism-in-dungeons-and-dragons/

A good article; thanks for posting this.

Quote from: Neoplatonist1 on April 08, 2023, 12:07:15 AM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 03, 2023, 11:39:59 AM
Some guy did a psychology study a while back and found no correlation. https://areomagazine.com/2022/02/04/evil-orcs-accusations-of-racism-in-dungeons-and-dragons/

A good article; thanks for posting this.

The great thing is if someone says they are racist just give them the link and BAM mike drop.

Then walk away going F'ing SJWS