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Title: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: RPGPundit on September 27, 2023, 10:51:08 AM
It was actually obvious, once it's noticed.
#dnd        #ttrpg   #osr 


Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: BadApple on September 27, 2023, 12:56:04 PM
The concept that there are different flavors of elves originates with Norse and Germanic mythology, the same mythology that the idea of elves comes from.  In that, elves were from one realm and are powerful magic users.  Dark elves are from a realm of darkness, shadows, and mist and are practitioners of deception and subterfuge.  (There's very little material about dark elves in Norse and Germanic mythology that I've been able to find so it's not well fleshed out in understanding.)     

The idea that there are different kinds of elves was a creation of TSR and borne out or racism is just dumb.
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: GeekyBugle on September 27, 2023, 01:33:59 PM
So, I'm half High Elf + half Wood Elf?

I'm glad we "latinos" have finally been recognized as magical and beautiful.
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: GeekyBugle on September 27, 2023, 01:36:02 PM
Quote from: BadApple on September 27, 2023, 12:56:04 PM
The concept that there are different flavors of elves originates with Norse and Germanic mythology, the same mythology that the idea of elves comes from.  In that, elves were from one realm and are powerful magic users.  Dark elves are from a realm of darkness, shadows, and mist and are practitioners of deception and subterfuge.  (There's very little material about dark elves in Norse and Germanic mythology that I've been able to find so it's not well fleshed out in understanding.)     

The idea that there are different kinds of elves was a creation of TSR and borne out or racism is just dumb.

Then again ALL the woke are profoundly dumb and have a terminal case of Dunning-Krueger and are terminally online.
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: BadApple on September 27, 2023, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 27, 2023, 01:33:59 PM
So, I'm half High Elf + half Wood Elf?

I'm glad we "latinos" have finally been recognized as magical and beautiful.

Well I, for one, have always seen tacos as magical.  There has to be some kind of spell involved to take basic food and make it that delicious. 
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: GeekyBugle on September 27, 2023, 03:53:24 PM
Quote from: BadApple on September 27, 2023, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 27, 2023, 01:33:59 PM
So, I'm half High Elf + half Wood Elf?

I'm glad we "latinos" have finally been recognized as magical and beautiful.

Well I, for one, have always seen tacos as magical.  There has to be some kind of spell involved to take basic food and make it that delicious.

We should Taco bout that, But I fear it's TOO offtopic, and I haven't seen a subforum to share cooking recipes and tips.
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: BadApple on September 27, 2023, 05:14:40 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 27, 2023, 03:53:24 PM
Quote from: BadApple on September 27, 2023, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 27, 2023, 01:33:59 PM
So, I'm half High Elf + half Wood Elf?

I'm glad we "latinos" have finally been recognized as magical and beautiful.

Well I, for one, have always seen tacos as magical.  There has to be some kind of spell involved to take basic food and make it that delicious.

We should Taco bout that, But I fear it's TOO offtopic, and I haven't seen a subforum to share cooking recipes and tips.

I think we could get away with a "favorite foods for game night," or "food themed for race or class in your favorite game" threads.   Hell, according to Pundit, think you could just say "best elven recipes" and just post tamales and tortas. 
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: finarvyn on September 27, 2023, 05:40:37 PM
I was under the impression that the term "Latinos" was being replaced by "Latinx" but dunno how to pronounce that.
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: BadApple on September 27, 2023, 06:00:37 PM
Quote from: finarvyn on September 27, 2023, 05:40:37 PM
I was under the impression that the term "Latinos" was being replaced by "Latinx" but dunno how to pronounce that.

I know many Hispanic people and they are all annoyed at the term "Latinx."  One of them told me "only a dumb white girl would think that fucking with my language would be being nice to me."
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: TheGlen on September 27, 2023, 11:03:55 PM
(http://www.pandius.com/250px-Carnelia.jpg)

The Belcadiz of Glantri would certainly agree.
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: GeekyBugle on September 27, 2023, 11:42:24 PM
Quote from: finarvyn on September 27, 2023, 05:40:37 PM
I was under the impression that the term "Latinos" was being replaced by "Latinx" but dunno how to pronounce that.

As a latino, let me give you free advice:

NEVER, EVER use that non-word to refer to us unironically.

It's cultural imperialism from the American far left and we don't appreciate it.
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: GeekyBugle on September 27, 2023, 11:43:55 PM
Quote from: BadApple on September 27, 2023, 05:14:40 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 27, 2023, 03:53:24 PM
Quote from: BadApple on September 27, 2023, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 27, 2023, 01:33:59 PM
So, I'm half High Elf + half Wood Elf?

I'm glad we "latinos" have finally been recognized as magical and beautiful.

Well I, for one, have always seen tacos as magical.  There has to be some kind of spell involved to take basic food and make it that delicious.

We should Taco bout that, But I fear it's TOO offtopic, and I haven't seen a subforum to share cooking recipes and tips.

I think we could get away with a "favorite foods for game night," or "food themed for race or class in your favorite game" threads.   Hell, according to Pundit, think you could just say "best elven recipes" and just post tamales and tortas.

Anyone else interested in a thread where I tell you how to make AUTHENTIC Mexican Guacamole and other things for game night?
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: Omega on September 28, 2023, 03:19:56 AM
Quote from: finarvyn on September 27, 2023, 05:40:37 PM
I was under the impression that the term "Latinos" was being replaced by "Latinx" but dunno how to pronounce that.

You do not pronounce it. You merely think it.

How else are the woke going to promote brain rot?
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: Theory of Games on September 28, 2023, 04:37:21 AM
El Pundito referenced an EnWorld thread. Found it:
https://www.enworld.org/threads/does-the-concept-of-subspecies-of-elves-come-across-as-racist-to-you.700045/

Proof SJWhiners are fading = the thread poll which shows 93% don't see Elf subspecies as racist.

(https://images.app.goo.gl/fWLVVpN8FmNe4fXU6)
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: Exploderwizard on September 28, 2023, 08:02:07 AM
Quote from: Theory of Games on September 28, 2023, 04:37:21 AM
El Pundito referenced an EnWorld thread. Found it:
https://www.enworld.org/threads/does-the-concept-of-subspecies-of-elves-come-across-as-racist-to-you.700045/

Proof SJWhiners are fading = the thread poll which shows 93% don't see Elf subspecies as racist.

(https://images.app.goo.gl/fWLVVpN8FmNe4fXU6)

The vast majority of this kind of nonsense is only from a few of the loudest shrieking voices on the internet. Seldom found in the real world of meatspace, these SJW fanatics sit in their basements at the keyboard all competing only with each other to be the wokest of them all. In the real world these people are easily spotted as they will sport faces that have been punched repeatedly.
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: Jason Coplen on September 28, 2023, 09:23:34 AM
Heh. This is funny. Even more so when my dwarves have Texan accents. ;)
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: David Johansen on September 28, 2023, 09:48:41 AM
It seems to me the real question is "Are Latinos Elves?"
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: Exploderwizard on September 28, 2023, 10:21:52 AM
Quote from: Jason Coplen on September 28, 2023, 09:23:34 AM
Heh. This is funny. Even more so when my dwarves have Texan accents. ;)

Game sin committed! Everyone knows dwarves have Scottish accents!  :P
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: RPGPundit on September 28, 2023, 03:29:26 PM
Quote from: BadApple on September 27, 2023, 05:14:40 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 27, 2023, 03:53:24 PM
Quote from: BadApple on September 27, 2023, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 27, 2023, 01:33:59 PM
So, I'm half High Elf + half Wood Elf?

I'm glad we "latinos" have finally been recognized as magical and beautiful.

Well I, for one, have always seen tacos as magical.  There has to be some kind of spell involved to take basic food and make it that delicious.

We should Taco bout that, But I fear it's TOO offtopic, and I haven't seen a subforum to share cooking recipes and tips.

I think we could get away with a "favorite foods for game night," or "food themed for race or class in your favorite game" threads.   Hell, according to Pundit, think you could just say "best elven recipes" and just post tamales and tortas.

Tamales are way tastier than tacos.
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: Corolinth on September 28, 2023, 03:48:16 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 27, 2023, 11:43:55 PM
Anyone else interested in a thread where I tell you how to make AUTHENTIC Mexican Guacamole and other things for game night?
The women in my family are fond of cooking Mexican food.
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: Spinachcat on September 28, 2023, 06:49:59 PM
Latinx is pronounced "La-Tinks". Say it loud! Say it proud!

And that's why we need to honor transgender Chinese!

They shall be now known as Chinx which is pronounced...

Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: GeekyBugle on September 28, 2023, 07:19:59 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on September 28, 2023, 03:29:26 PM
Quote from: BadApple on September 27, 2023, 05:14:40 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 27, 2023, 03:53:24 PM
Quote from: BadApple on September 27, 2023, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 27, 2023, 01:33:59 PM
So, I'm half High Elf + half Wood Elf?

I'm glad we "latinos" have finally been recognized as magical and beautiful.

Well I, for one, have always seen tacos as magical.  There has to be some kind of spell involved to take basic food and make it that delicious.

We should Taco bout that, But I fear it's TOO offtopic, and I haven't seen a subforum to share cooking recipes and tips.

I think we could get away with a "favorite foods for game night," or "food themed for race or class in your favorite game" threads.   Hell, according to Pundit, think you could just say "best elven recipes" and just post tamales and tortas.

Tamales are way tastier than tacos.

They are also way harder to do, at least two days working to be able to have them for dinner.
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: Koltar on September 29, 2023, 02:55:47 AM
No, a hundred times 'No'.

Elves in D&D always seemed to Be Fench - and really snobbish French at that.

Like they all went to Art School, drank really strange coffee and still had surfer blonde hair....

You kind of see it in some of the background actors in Jackson's ""Lord of the Rings" movies...
They are magical snotty French men...

- Ed C.
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: THE_Leopold on September 29, 2023, 10:01:28 AM
Mine are based off the Portuguese so that makes them mostly hispanic?
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: Exploderwizard on September 29, 2023, 11:21:01 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat on September 28, 2023, 06:49:59 PM
Latinx is pronounced "La-Tinks". Say it loud! Say it proud!

And that's why we need to honor transgender Chinese!

They shall be now known as Chinx which is pronounced...

LOL! Thanks for making coffee come out my nose. This reminded me of the whole people of color/colored people bit from Bloom County. Way ahead of its time.
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: GeekyBugle on September 29, 2023, 01:41:42 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on September 29, 2023, 10:01:28 AM
Mine are based off the Portuguese so that makes them mostly hispanic?

Wait what!?
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: THE_Leopold on September 29, 2023, 02:28:32 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 29, 2023, 01:41:42 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on September 29, 2023, 10:01:28 AM
Mine are based off the Portuguese so that makes them mostly hispanic?

Wait what!?

That's a joke...
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: GeekyBugle on September 29, 2023, 03:52:36 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on September 29, 2023, 02:28:32 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 29, 2023, 01:41:42 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on September 29, 2023, 10:01:28 AM
Mine are based off the Portuguese so that makes them mostly hispanic?

Wait what!?

That's a joke...

Then never mind, my bad, failed to read the sarcasm or something, as per usual.
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: jeff37923 on September 29, 2023, 04:20:18 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 29, 2023, 03:52:36 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on September 29, 2023, 02:28:32 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 29, 2023, 01:41:42 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on September 29, 2023, 10:01:28 AM
Mine are based off the Portuguese so that makes them mostly hispanic?

Wait what!?

That's a joke...

Then never mind, my bad, failed to read the sarcasm or something, as per usual.

We've come to accept that about you.
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: Rhymer88 on September 30, 2023, 05:35:12 AM
I think the Elf subraces have more in common with the Indian caste system. Moreover, the drow have some similarities with the goddess Kali.
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: VisionStorm on September 30, 2023, 07:42:33 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on September 28, 2023, 03:29:26 PM
Quote from: BadApple on September 27, 2023, 05:14:40 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 27, 2023, 03:53:24 PM
Quote from: BadApple on September 27, 2023, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 27, 2023, 01:33:59 PM
So, I'm half High Elf + half Wood Elf?

I'm glad we "latinos" have finally been recognized as magical and beautiful.

Well I, for one, have always seen tacos as magical.  There has to be some kind of spell involved to take basic food and make it that delicious.

We should Taco bout that, But I fear it's TOO offtopic, and I haven't seen a subforum to share cooking recipes and tips.

I think we could get away with a "favorite foods for game night," or "food themed for race or class in your favorite game" threads.   Hell, according to Pundit, think you could just say "best elven recipes" and just post tamales and tortas.

Tamales are way tastier than tacos.

All other Mexican food is way tastier than tacos. I never got people's obsession with them. Even a simple bean burrito is tastier than a taco.

Quote from: Rhymer88 on September 30, 2023, 05:35:12 AM
I think the Elf subraces have more in common with the Indian caste system. Moreover, the drow have some similarities with the goddess Kali.

I've always had brown skinned dark elves in my campaigns, but I always thought of them as being more Tamil looking than African looking. My dark elves look like a hot ass dark Tamil woman with pointed ears and silver hair.
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: RPGPundit on October 01, 2023, 07:52:59 AM
Yes, love a really proper burrito.
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: Scooter on October 01, 2023, 09:40:12 AM
What is a "Latino"?
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: BadApple on October 01, 2023, 09:45:49 AM
I think a lot of people think of tacos from Taco Bell.  Tacos are like sandwiches, they can range from crappy and cheap to being a true dining experience.  I would prefer a great taco over a low quality burrito any day.  Quality ingredients make for a quality product.  I make tacos so good that even my elven... I mean latino friends look forward to.   

Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: zer0th on October 01, 2023, 10:06:15 AM
There was this Brazilian RPG from the late 1990s that took the map of South America, turned it 90°, and added a few classic fantasy races to certain places, along with creatures of Brazilian folklore.

The author, a guy called Marcelo Del Debbio, put these fantastical races where he thought there was some historical or cultural justification. For example, my state of Minas Gerais (the literal translation of the name is General Mines) is the home of the setting's dwarves, because of the gold mines of the XVII century and current iron ore mines. Elves are from what would be Brazil's south, his justification seems to be because the south have more blonde people and elves are blonde, according to him; and these elves are in constant war with the Argentos (Argentina), who are modelled after Romans, some sort of Asterix analogy of the Brazilian southern gauchos history of skirmishes against the Argentinean gauchos.

The lore of the setting, that never was popular or anything near that, is very left-leaning. The king of Hi-Brazil (a name stolen from Irish myth, I believe) was a good guy named Inácio who controlled the Red Star Army. (A guy named Inácio and a red star... Not Brazil's current socialist president and president from 2000 to 2008 before.) The setting is full of leftie social commentary, as most of the RPG writers of 1990's Brazil came from Humanities colleges, which had been completely taken by the Left by the 1990s.

The publisher's website has a long review of the game in Portuguese that you guys can Google Translate if you are interested in this piece of propaganda:
https://www.daemoneditora.com.br/produto/hi-brazil-rpg/
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: GeekyBugle on October 01, 2023, 02:08:49 PM
Quote from: zer0th on October 01, 2023, 10:06:15 AM
There was this Brazilian RPG from the late 1990s that took the map of South America, turned it 90°, and added a few classic fantasy races to certain places, along with creatures of Brazilian folklore.

The author, a guy called Marcelo Del Debbio, put these fantastical races where he thought there was some historical or cultural justification. For example, my state of Minas Gerais (the literal translation of the name is General Mines) is the home of the setting's dwarves, because of the gold mines of the XVII century and current iron ore mines. Elves are from what would be Brazil's south, his justification seems to be because the south have more blonde people and elves are blonde, according to him; and these elves are in constant war with the Argentos (Argentina), who are modelled after Romans, some sort of Asterix analogy of the Brazilian southern gauchos history of skirmishes against the Argentinean gauchos.

The lore of the setting, that never was popular or anything near that, is very left-leaning. The king of Hi-Brazil (a name stolen from Irish myth, I believe) was a good guy named Inácio who controlled the Red Star Army. (A guy named Inácio and a red star... Not Brazil's current socialist president and president from 2000 to 2008 before.) The setting is full of leftie social commentary, as most of the RPG writers of 1990's Brazil came from Humanities colleges, which had been completely taken by the Left by the 1990s.

The publisher's website has a long review of the game in Portuguese that you guys can Google Translate if you are interested in this piece of propaganda:
https://www.daemoneditora.com.br/produto/hi-brazil-rpg/

Never mind the political leftist propaganda, it shows a lack of imagination to just transplant the SAME fantasy races to your setting and then use the setting to propagandize (in whichever direction).

Macahuitl is an Aztec RPG just published (or is it still being funded?), it doesn't use the fantasy races and has it's own classes, spells, etc.

I dare say it's way better than Maztica.

My own (very much WIP and in the backburner) Mayan inspired game has it's own fantasy races inspired by the Mayan creation myth, it's own classes, spells and monsters, all inspired by the Mayan mythos.

Due to how little we KNOW about my ancestors, I'll end up incorporating monsters from other prehispanic cultures too, and even some from the colonial times to add variety.

There's also a bit of worldbuilding that'll add some spice and variety to it, I'll just say it's a High Fantasy alternate history setting.
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: VisionStorm on October 01, 2023, 06:30:17 PM
Quote from: BadApple on October 01, 2023, 09:45:49 AM
I think a lot of people think of tacos from Taco Bell.  Tacos are like sandwiches, they can range from crappy and cheap to being a true dining experience.  I would prefer a great taco over a low quality burrito any day.  Quality ingredients make for a quality product.  I make tacos so good that even my elven... I mean latino friends look forward to.

Admittedly I hate Taco Bell style hard shell tacos more than anything else, which are also the most common store bought type. But even when dealing with proper corn tortillas, they tend to be too messy to eat, and often not that good, baring the more higher end restaurant style of ones. But even then, when comparing like for like, a high end burrito still wins out over high end tacos. And cheap burritos win over cheap tacos by a mile.
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: Jam The MF on October 03, 2023, 02:23:14 PM
Quote from: BadApple on September 27, 2023, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 27, 2023, 01:33:59 PM
So, I'm half High Elf + half Wood Elf?

I'm glad we "latinos" have finally been recognized as magical and beautiful.

Well I, for one, have always seen tacos as magical.  There has to be some kind of spell involved to take basic food and make it that delicious.

Toasted Crunchy Tacos, with these newfangled seasoned / flavored shells; are so dang good, it makes me want to roll initiative!!!
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: GeekyBugle on October 03, 2023, 03:06:36 PM
Quote from: Jam The MF on October 03, 2023, 02:23:14 PM
Quote from: BadApple on September 27, 2023, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 27, 2023, 01:33:59 PM
So, I'm half High Elf + half Wood Elf?

I'm glad we "latinos" have finally been recognized as magical and beautiful.

Well I, for one, have always seen tacos as magical.  There has to be some kind of spell involved to take basic food and make it that delicious.

Toasted Crunchy Tacos, with these newfangled seasoned / flavored shells; are so dang good, it makes me want to roll initiative!!!

Taco Bell "tacos" aren't tacos, they are bent tostadas with filling.
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: RPGPundit on October 04, 2023, 05:36:18 PM
It's incredible how many North Americans there are who think they've eaten Mexican food, when in fact they have not.
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: Scooter on October 04, 2023, 05:37:22 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on October 04, 2023, 05:36:18 PM
It's incredible how many North Americans there are who think they've eaten Mexican food, when in fact they have not.

Mexico is in North America
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: RPGPundit on October 06, 2023, 07:04:25 AM
Quote from: Scooter on October 04, 2023, 05:37:22 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on October 04, 2023, 05:36:18 PM
It's incredible how many North Americans there are who think they've eaten Mexican food, when in fact they have not.

Mexico is in North America

The statement is still perfectly valid.
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: MeganovaStella on October 06, 2023, 08:26:19 AM
Elves are Celtic or Asian. That's how it's done.
Title: Re: Are D&D Elves Latinos?
Post by: Omega on October 11, 2023, 07:33:31 PM
Quote from: MeganovaStella on October 06, 2023, 08:26:19 AM
Elves are Celtic or Asian. That's how it's done.

Fine. Be that way.

Are Celtic Asian Elves Latinos?  8)