Anyone wanna pile on dis guy?

Rincewind1 · December 24, 2014, 09:17:31 AM

Quote from: Shipyard Locked;805880Let me just say that one of the things I like about this site is we can still dog-pile people here (including me if I'm being an idiot). I'm seeing more and more forums (non-RPG ones mostly) that are setting up "no dog-piling" rules and "no talking about offsite discussions" rules that are supposed to prevent their melodrama prone hugbox ninnies from spinning everything into an epic tragedy but in practice get too broadly applied and suffocate necessary conversation.

Yeah, but it's usually nicer to dogpile on someone who is actually here, rather than hunt down their post and call for laughter over them, like a certain other popular dogpiling RPG thread in the Internet :rolleyes:.

Shipyard Locked · December 24, 2014, 09:27:40 AM

Quote from: Rincewind1;805881Yeah, but it's usually nicer to dogpile on someone who is actually here, rather than hunt down their post and call for laughter over them, like a certain other popular dogpiling RPG thread in the Internet :rolleyes:.

Usually, yes. I don't think there's any real harm here, but the excesses certain other threads allow should be avoided, absolutely. I just don't want any suffocating blanket policies.

Perhaps we should invite this individual over for a conversation?

Anyone want to PM him with a WotC account?

Panjumanju · December 24, 2014, 10:33:50 AM

Quote from: Rincewind1;805881Yeah, but it's usually nicer to dogpile on someone who is actually here, rather than hunt down their post and call for laughter over them...

"Strikeforce theRPGsite"

//Panjumanju

finarvyn · December 24, 2014, 12:52:04 PM

I've been playing OD&D since the mid 1970's. And now I find out it's unplayable? Where was that guy when I first started?

jan paparazzi · December 24, 2014, 01:07:11 PM

Never played OD&D, but this post #7 does mirror my experience playing multiplayer Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale, which were based on D&D 2nd edition* rules I think.

The fighter is the meatshield aka the tank, the cleric heals and sucks at damage dealing, the thief sucks and damage dealing and quickly dies, but you need someone for trap disarm and lock picking. You basically wanna play the mage, who is weak on low levels, but kicks ass on higher levels. Very unbalanced. We always played it like an MMO rpg. One tank, one healer and one DPS.

Edit: *Based on AD&D 2nd edition, not D&D 2nd edition. My bad. I don't really know the difference. That's before my time.

crkrueger · December 24, 2014, 04:25:37 PM

He's never played OD&D, he's parroting the "common idiocy" talking points of the extreme 3.5 charop sites.

Were the rules a "mess"? Yeah, I'll give you that one.

Were the rules "unplayable"? Seeing as how people have played with them for 40 years and it launched the hobby as we know it, I think the jury's not out on that one, I think it's pretty much axiomatic that the rules were playable, in fact, they had to be, or no hobby as we know it.

Pile on, you may as well argue with an old tape of the Wally George show. Better use of your time.

Sacrosanct · December 24, 2014, 04:51:42 PM

The fuck'n elf had a beard you frakk'n morans! Of course it's unplayable.

Ladybird · December 24, 2014, 05:02:20 PM

Quote from: CRKrueger;805937Pile on, you may as well argue with an old tape of the Wally George show. Better use of your time.

Indeed. It's not the first stupid opinion to be posted on the internet, and we ain't Something Awful, so we don't need to give a shit.

Chainsaw · December 24, 2014, 05:04:43 PM

If I had a nickel for every time...

Omega · December 24, 2014, 08:11:14 PM

Quote from: Sacrosanct;805938The fuck'n elf had a beard you frakk'n morans! Of course it's unplayable.

It was an elven beard so its ok.

GameDaddy · December 24, 2014, 10:04:45 PM

Quote from: Bren;805840OD&D is perfectly playable out of the box. It's not what I choose to play now. But it is perfectly playable as the game it is.

^^^^ This. 0D&D is a perfectly good game for Fantasy roleplaying. It's still one of my games of choice (...ahhh... Runquest, Fudge, Castle & Crusades) for running fantasy adventures and campaigns. It's fast, it's elegant, and in the hands of a good GM, DM or Ref a great deal of fun!

I haven't posted at WOTC since 2007 or so, when they deliberately worked hard to insult and purge the 0D&D Grognards that were still posting there, so can't say I'm surprised at the level of roleplaying ignorance displayed there these days.

GameDaddy · December 24, 2014, 10:11:14 PM

Quote from: Panjumanju;805899"Strikeforce theRPGsite"

This morning, I fired up the Google Santa Tracker, and behold, Santa was in Pyongyang delivering presents to Kin Jong-un. This afternoon, I fired up the tracker again, and Santa and the Reindeer were dropping a load on Baghdad, and then they immediately bee-lined for Moscow after that to drop off presents for Putin. This evening I visited the Santa Tracker once more, looking for presents for my kids, and behold, Santa is finally getting close, on his was to San Juan, Puerto Rico... It's been a very busy day.

finarvyn · December 25, 2014, 07:29:38 AM

Quote from: CRKrueger;805937Were the rules "unplayable"? Seeing as how people have played with them for 40 years and it launched the hobby as we know it, I think the jury's not out on that one, I think it's pretty much axiomatic that the rules were playable, in fact, they had to be, or no hobby as we know it.

The thing is, OD&D was never written for the beginner. It was written assuming that players had some experience with miniatures wargaming, and a lot of the "how to" stuff in newer games was simply never considered.

Nowadays rulebooks start out with "what are dice" and "don't forget to bring snacks to the game, wear deodorant, and help clean up the GM's basement after we play" stuff. If you don't already know these things, I guess OD&D could be considered "unplayable."

Ravenswing · December 26, 2014, 07:52:50 AM

Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;805833I feel sorry for these people. It's like they feel they need written permission from the company before they can pop the hood on a game and start fucking around with it.

If I felt that way 90+% of all RPGs would be "Unplayable" to me.

EXACTLY.

But that's the attitude of so many gamers who came to the hobby in recent years: the ones who worship at the altar of RAW, for whom the term "house rule" is anathema, and who take the suggestion that they change a rule they don't like in much the same spirit as if you asked them what they more enjoy sodomizing, goats or sheep.

Of course they think OD&D is an unplayable heap of shit. What other conclusion are they equipped to draw, if they have no idea they're supposed to apply common sense to what they don't understand, and imagination to what's just not there? It's not that they're assholes or idiots. It's just that they don't know any better.

Omega · December 26, 2014, 07:58:34 AM

Quote from: finarvyn;806013The thing is, OD&D was never written for the beginner. It was written assuming that players had some experience with miniatures wargaming, and a lot of the "how to" stuff in newer games was simply never considered.

Nowadays rulebooks start out with "what are dice" and "don't forget to bring snacks to the game, wear deodorant, and help clean up the GM's basement after we play" stuff. If you don't already know these things, I guess OD&D could be considered "unplayable."

Not unplayable. Just not a novice friendly RPG. and there are tons of those, some written even recently. Some deliberately so.

This was one of the things I stressed was needed for Dragon Storm while I was working with the designers way back. The core game is while not novice un-friendly, is not novice friendly either. This was slightly addressed in the world books later.

I've also seen a small few RPGs that open up with lines like "This is not an RPG for a novice GM" or equivalent.