http://community.wizards.com/forum/product-and-general-dd-discussions/threads/4171516

Idiot sighting, post #7.

What is this? Village Iidiot Day?

Its like they are crawling out of the woodwork to all post today.

And post #8 is precious too. How quaint.

I've never played or even looked at OD&D, but it seems obvious the fellow never had a decent DM.  Hard to fault a bloke who has never had a good game for not liking the game.

I feel sorry for these people. It's like they feel they need written permission from the company before they can pop the hood on a game and start fucking around with it.

If I felt that way 90+% of all RPGs would be "Unplayable" to me.

The stupid, it burns us.

A lot of us don't like the old D&D games. I appreciate some "older" games (BRP :-), but I won't touch 0e - 4e. I simply dislike them. Now, are they unplayable? That's a matter of opinion, which these people are sharing. Not facts. Just opinions. Everyone on the internet speaks their opinion like it's a truth.

Personally, I dislike D&D in general, the older editions especially. I DMed those games for many MANY years, so it's not from lack of experience. I just prefer different mechanics.

Now, that being said, I've seen some nifty OSR stuff that frankly I wish was around when I was trying to make D&D work for me. Nifty ideas. I came up in a crowd that were willing to combine things, but not revise or modify them. So, looking at the OSR today, it's pretty impressive to see the creativity of fans basically modifying the game I secretly wanted to modify myself. :-)

It's not unreasonable for someone who has played 3.x (a somewhat cohesive approach) to find 0e "unplayable". It's a matter of perspective. It depends on what games were your first.

I started with the red box set. It was a wonderful introduction to the game. Had I started with AD&D 1e or those little booklets, I may not have been as impressed. I programmed basic on the comodore 64. Played video games on my Atari 2600. If TSR wanted to grab my attention, they needed to bring their A game. Those Toys R Us commercials and the red box were perfectly targeted to my 4th grade uber nerd self.

You had your experiences. I had mine. What you see as a "deficiency" is really just opinion and perspective.

My two cents...

Quote from: Omega;805821What is this? Village Iidiot Day?

Its like they are crawling out of the woodwork to all post today.

And post #8 is precious too. How quaint.

Indeed. Send those guys to TGD, the average IQ needs to be moved up a bit, there.

OD&D is perfectly playable out of the box. It's not what I choose to play now. But it is perfectly playable as the game it is.

I don't think this fellow had the same goals in mind for achieving a fun good time that someone who might like OD&D has in mind. Even though he expresses it through ignorance, hostility, and poor diction, I try not to judge.

//Panjumanju

I don't mind a good rant, but it has to at least be coherent.  This guy's just all over the place, and wrong on top of being all over the place.  There's no point in dogpiling 'em, because there's no point in engaging 'em.

Leave the willful ignorant to his or her ignorance.

I'd rather invite the Llenlleawg guy, who typed a knowledgeable and level-headed response to that kid's (I can only assume it's a kid) wharrgarbling.

One thing nice about a computer RPG is that, if a player mods (homebrews) it wrong, the game will refuse to start or will crash often. Then you don't have to tell them how their idea of gaming sucks. The computer is proving it.

With pencil RPGs, you're dealing with people's imaginations of what good rules are or aren't. Hell, people fight over legal documents that they already read, agreed to, and signed at the bottom.

No, choose your battles. Only fight those worth fighting. The idiot in post #7 did himself in already as a suicide bomb.

He seems to believe having a ton of codified options makes a superior game, so, my guess is he's a "rules mastery" dude.

Let me just say that one of the things I like about this site is we can still dog-pile people here (including me if I'm being an idiot). I'm seeing more and more forums (non-RPG ones mostly) that are setting up "no dog-piling" rules and "no talking about offsite discussions" rules that are supposed to prevent their melodrama prone hugbox ninnies from spinning everything into an epic tragedy but in practice get too broadly applied and suffocate necessary conversation.