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Anyone playing the Black Hack?

Started by ArrozConLeche, May 25, 2017, 02:34:11 PM

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cranebump

#15
May 28, 2017, 06:06:20 AM
Quote from: Voros;964809The roll under not on and under seems a pointless complication I just skipped.

Can you get the same odds for roll under (not on) by d20+stat vs 20+(lvl +1)? Makes lvl 9 monster a target 30, lvl 1 a 22, and so on?
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Voros

#16
May 28, 2017, 06:18:11 AM
Good question. I suck at math and so can't answer. It didn't seem to throw the balance of battle off balance but we only played a few sessions as a one shot to try the system out. I want to return to it using the Tekumel hack.

cranebump

#17
May 29, 2017, 01:32:33 PM
I think you can flip it pretty easily using the above. I think I'd tweak the fighter ability to say "add your lvl to the damage roll," and probably work in extra attacks at higher levels. I had an idea of working in a "Maneuvers" chart for nat 20s and totals of 30 or more, but, after running through the idea, it seemed needlessly complicated. I might just want to run the game on its own merits first.
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Voros

#18
May 29, 2017, 06:24:01 PM Last Edit: May 29, 2017, 06:59:55 PM by Voros
Yeah you're right, pretty much as easy as switching from descending to ascending AC. I agree about trying out the system without too many additions at first. It does have a speedy B/X feel to the combat.

tanaka84

#19
May 30, 2017, 11:46:59 AM Last Edit: May 30, 2017, 11:49:15 AM by tanaka84
Quote from: cranebump;964811Can you get the same odds for roll under (not on) by d20+stat vs 20+(lvl +1)? Makes lvl 9 monster a target 30, lvl 1 a 22, and so on?

D20+stat vs 22 (+monster lvl) also keep in mind that two handed attacks add a +2 to the attack (a penalty) so you need to change that to a -2

http://anydice.com/program/bd66


The rolling under (not on) is so that you can always have 5% chsnce of failure, even if you have 20 on a stat

cranebump

#20
May 30, 2017, 09:24:58 PM
Quote from: tanaka84;965287D20+stat vs 22 (+monster lvl) also keep in mind that two handed attacks add a +2 to the attack (a penalty) so you need to change that to a -2

http://anydice.com/program/bd66


The rolling under (not on) is so that you can always have 5% chsnce of failure, even if you have 20 on a stat

If a '1' always fails, you have the same thing the other way.

Thanks for reminder about two hand sword.
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Opaopajr

#21
May 30, 2017, 09:59:19 PM
Quote from: LouGoncey;964716The PC rolls to defend...

So wait, it's like a save? I might actually be OK with it.

I have been eying Black Hack for Mirrorshades, so I can play a cyberpunk game with speed and oodles of random tables to keep the game moving.
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tanaka84

#22
May 30, 2017, 10:36:14 PM
Quote from: cranebump;965410If a '1' always fails, you have the same thing the other way.

Of course, that's why the base target number is 22, so you fail on a 1 :).

Cheers!

cranebump

#23
May 31, 2017, 04:10:24 PM
Quote from: tanaka84;965418Of course, that's why the base target number is 22, so you fail on a 1 :).

Cheers!

Derrrrr....that's right. (me learn math someday).:-)
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#24
June 01, 2017, 07:15:57 AM
This thread got me curious, so I picked it up. Looks simple, clean, and I like how compact and tight the presentation is.
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cranebump

#25
June 01, 2017, 08:01:12 AM Last Edit: June 01, 2017, 08:07:19 PM by cranebump
Looks like you can easily run those OS dungeons, too. For monsters, simply add the AC to the hit roll (if I ran the flipped version), and keeping most everything else (dmg dice, etc.) as is. Looks like its worth a try.
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#26
June 03, 2017, 04:17:13 AM
What a stupid fucking concept: an OSR game that bans the GM from making rolls.
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cranebump

#27
June 03, 2017, 05:44:17 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit;966088What a stupid fucking concept: an OSR game that bans the GM from making rolls.

There are advantages to not rolling, among them, more player activity (rolling on offense and defense). Having just run a system where players make all the rolls I can testify it's not that bad an idea. Of course, at least I ran something like that before delivering an opinion on it...:-/
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tanaka84

#28
June 04, 2017, 10:08:45 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit;966088What a stupid fucking concept: an OSR game that bans the GM from making rolls.

I don't see it as a ban, rather a design choice; there are literally hundreds of OSR products out there, this is just one aimed at GMs who like player-facing mechanics.

I like it a lot, and I make dice rolls as a GM when I play it, for random encounters, reaction rolls, npcs doing stuff that might go wrong (using a simple 1 in X mechanic), but yeah, if it involves the PCs, let those player roll :).

Cheers.

cranebump

#29
June 04, 2017, 02:32:19 PM Last Edit: June 04, 2017, 02:34:37 PM by cranebump
One thing I did get wrong, evidently, is that hitting something is nothing but an attribute test, no mods, save for the +1/lvl differential. So armor is a big, big deal.

I've been toying with this stat mechanic for my own messy hack, which includes elements of FAGE.
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