Quote from: Ravenswing;796987What I have is the intro book, which has "Curse of the Crimson Throne" on the front cover.  For my list of notable Korvosans, I relied on the section that the authors labeled "NOTABLE KORVOSANS," with the tagline "Listed here are many of Korvosa’s most well-known names, be they famous or infamous."

Now I don't know what soft-shoe methodology you've come up with for your count, or what books you claim to draw your numbers from, but I'm rather more inclined to accept as authoritative the assessment of the authors of the damn book as to who's important or not than yours, if you don't mind too much.

I was talking about the positions-of-authority characters the PCs actually deal with in the AP when run. I've run most of the AP (in Book 5 now) but APs are linear so this is pretty much the same for everyone. It's not 'soft shoe' if that means arbitrary.
Notability is not Authority - Blackjack is notable, but not an authority figure.

From looking at other APs it seems similar - the authority figures the PCs deal with in the AP tend to be female, especially the friendly ones like Cressida Croft; villains are a bit closer to parity. They generally make the friendly-authority-figure characters female by default.

Quote from: Will;796900Yeah, that last? The one with the dragons, immortals, zombies, psychic warriors, and kung fu monks with a very modern gloss on the 'quasi medieval'?

Congratulations, you've just introduced one of the most colossally stupid and dishonest memes from The Banning Place to this forum: the notion that if an RPG is set in a fantasy world, the only reason to not make it a socially-progressive place with modern sensibilities is bigotry.

Quote from: S'mon;796980Then go read WoTR!

what's that?Obviously if I havent read it using an acronym doesnt actually point me in the right direction. Sheesh.

Quote from: One Horse Town;796906... if it makes some people feel good to see themselves portrayed in a product they bought, then that's a plus.

If that were really the objective, you'd see a lot more obese NPCs in Paizo books.

S'mon: Re: Vikings

I find it fascinating how deeply bodies and cultures shift. As has been frequently pointed out, the modern concepts of nationstates and patriotism, for example, are... well, modern. Heck, modern concepts of race.

( http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/ is fascinating, for example, to pierce the rather compartmentalized view of countries and peoples)

Quote from: Ravenswing;796988Yeah.  The way I feel is along the lines of "You know, speaking from the standpoint of someone who didn't know that black people existed until I was five years old -- which led to an embarrassing situation for my mother -- if you haven't clued your kids in yet that LGBT people exist, you might want to get a move on."

My kids are way ahead of where I was.

My daughter had a trans girl in her class in preschool. I don't think I was aware of trans folks as anything but the butt of jokes until I was in my 20s.

Quote from: Haffrung;797003Congratulations, you've just introduced one of the most colossally stupid and dishonest memes from The Banning Place to this forum: the notion that if an RPG is set in a fantasy world, the only reason to not make it a socially-progressive place with modern sensibilities is bigotry.

What is with you guys and trying to find any excuse to pigeonhole an argument rather than engage it directly?

No, it's not from TBP, it's obvious, and I noted this in the early 1990s, long before TBP was a twinkle in a server admin's eye.

And nuts to your lazy selective reading. I've already pointed out several times that I don't have a problem with people making a gameworld that isn't socially progressive or have modern sensibilities. I've even run games like that.

There was even a subthread about White Hatism.

What I have a problem with, since apparently I need to spell it out in excruciating detail for you, is the unexamined reflexive hazy assumption-laden quasi-medieval game, where you just assume 'straight white people' where they aren't elves or dwarves.

If you have actually mapped out traditions, marriage laws, how lineage works, and attitudes towards various behaviors? Then fine, you've made a world.

If you're going to take me to task, actually read what I've said, you lazy derp.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;796982I have children, and they aren't idiots. I've never had trouble explaining anything to them.

To quote Louis CK on the whole "think of the children" bullshit: "I dunno, it's your shitty kid, you fuckin' tell em. Why is that anyone else's problem?"

Yup. As soon as my daughter has a question we'll explain to her that people are different. It's a parents issue and not a kids issue.


Kids don't give a fuck.

Quote from: S'mon;796990I was talking about the positions-of-authority characters the PCs actually deal with in the AP when run. I've run most of the AP (in Book 5 now) but APs are linear so this is pretty much the same for everyone. It's not 'soft shoe' if that means arbitrary.
Notability is not Authority - Blackjack is notable, but not an authority figure.

From looking at other APs it seems similar - the authority figures the PCs deal with in the AP tend to be female, especially the friendly ones like Cressida Croft; villains are a bit closer to parity. They generally make the friendly-authority-figure characters female by default.

What I find amusing is that you will happily run an AP which takes your kids pcs to 'hell' to fight demonic creatures such as succubi and yet you worry about there being too many female and any non heterosexual npcs.  Any AP taking pcs to an evil planar realm is going to be of an adult nature.  I can't understand your problem with Paizo. You can easily change whatever you want. And hopefully the message is clear: many of us want Paizo to create a greater variety of narratives and to have npc diversity.  It makes the game appeal to a wider audience as well which means games companies sell more and can invest more in our hobby. Win win for everyone.  Apart from you and a few others who see conspiracies by Cultural Marxism lurking behind anything looking like diversity or plain and simple liberal values.

Quote from: Ulairi;797030Kids don't give a fuck.

My kids are VERY KEEN on proper gender assignments.

For example, they declare that girls like vanilla and not chocolate, while boys like chocolate and not vanilla. Obviously.

Because my daughter happens to like vanilla and not chocolate, my son the reverse.
Which is, I suppose, symbolic of these issues overall -- 'how I happen to like things must be universal truths.'

Quote from: Emperor Norton;796908On the subject: Can anyone think of a adventure (would probably be in Paizo if there is) with a bisexual male NPC? I always find bi males to be the most underrepresented demographic. (The only two I can think of in fiction period are Jack Harkness and John Constantine)

I'm sure it must be more popular now In fiction. Thinking back to the 1970s and 1980s didn't Anne Rice have a bisexual vamp? And I think at least one of the guys on Darkover by Marion Zimmer Bradley was bisexual.

Quote from: Bren;797041I'm sure it must be more popular now In fiction. Thinking back to the 1970s and 1980s didn't Anne Rice have a bisexual vamp? And I think at least one of the guys on Darkover by Marion Zimmer Bradley was bisexual.

Quite possibly.  But yes.  Bisexuality is massively underrepresented in cultural production.  Along with trans it is more stigmatised than gay and lesbian sexuality. :/

This thread has made me want to run Wraeththu. And possibly FATAL.

Quote from: Brad;797046This thread has made me want to run Wraeththu. And possibly FATAL.

Run a mashup of the two?

Quote from: Haffrung;797003Congratulations, you've just introduced one of the most colossally stupid and dishonest memes from The Banning Place to this forum...

I'm starting to half-wonder if that was their secret reason for banning him - so he'd have to come over here and do that... cast out from Eden to spread the SJW gospel... very cunning, those Swine.

Edit: Sorry Will, I do actually respect you more than about 2/3 the population of therpgsite - including the ca 50% of regular posters I have on my Ignore List. You're alright really.