1. I know this is probably not the right forum and subforum to ask, but as far as i checked, there is none and on the official D&D forum the question will probably not be answered.

2. The background of the question is the following:
I consider buying D&D stuff. But the last time i bought RPG stuff, i realized i did not get what i wanted and was ready to pay for. Instead of getting "RPG rules stuff", "RPG background stuff" and "RPG adventure stuff", i got the three and a heavy dose of what i call "political commentary" in the form of storylines, world ideas and other stuff, which directly reflected and made a stand in regard to some topics i could also read in newspapers about.

But if i would want that, i would buy a newspaper and not RPG stuff. Furthermore, it was blatantly unfitting to the whole fictional concept in my eyes.

Hence, i want to avoid to pay for "political commentary" when buying RPG stuff.

3. D & D rules have a single small paragraph which was hailed as inclusive. I do not mind. But the way some people wrote about it, i fear it might foreshadow more "political commentary".

Hence, the question, if there is much to expect from D & D in this direction.


4. If you do not know what i am talking about, i cannot do anything, because any details would probably get this thread banned or whatever is done in this forum (since tolerance must reign supreme, which makes it unavoidable to delete post and close threads - or something like that, i did not realy understand).

Thanks for any tips regarding what to expect from D&D products.

I'd expect monster stats, more spells, probably new classes and races too. As well as settings and probably storylines and linear adventures, though there are rumours that, for the better or worse, sandbox hexcrawls may return in some form, but part of that may be wishful thinking.

I'm not sure if Daily Kos or Rush Limbaugh'll be publishing their US1: Dungeon of Oppression or Atlas Shrugged campaign anytime soon.

This isn't TBP, you don't have to be nervous about posting.

As for political commentary... at least in the PHB, none that I can see unless you really try to read into it.

If anything, it seems a fun, happy product with lots of references WotC can get away with (like flat-out saying 'hey, you can be a minion of Cthulhu')

First post, username "Stupid Question"?  Obvious trollsock.  This Halloween Jack again begging for morsels to feed his masters?

Aside from one comment in the PHB, there is pretty much nothing with a real agenda in it. Hence why after the initial uproar by a few nuts it quieted down and theres been little on it since.

Theres nothing of that in the MM. Just the writers odd fixation of demons and jacking them needlessly into a few other creatures background. Luckily that is all fluff that fits nothing at all and can be ignored. Dont recall any uproar over anything in the book reguarding agendas. There have been irks over some of the changes to creatures overall makeup.

Quote from: stupidquestion;7962344. If you do not know what i am talking about, i cannot do anything, because any details would probably get this thread banned or whatever is done in this forum (since tolerance must reign supreme, which makes it unavoidable to delete post and close threads - or something like that, i did not realy understand).

What are you talking about?

Give us examples, here.  What game, supplement, adventure, whatever, was it that got you asking this?

Quote from: Omega;796271Theres nothing of that in the MM. Just the writers odd fixation of demons and jacking them needlessly into a few other creatures background. Luckily that is all fluff that fits nothing at all and can be ignored. Dont recall any uproar over anything in the book reguarding agendas. There have been irks over some of the changes to creatures overall makeup.

The only political commentary about the 5th Ed MM was someone saying the representation of males creatures vs Female creatures was apparently swayed more in favour of males over females.
It seemed to me like the person in question was looking for an excuse to be outraged, but hey, whatever.

Quote from: stupidquestion;7962342. The background of the question is the following:
I consider buying D&D stuff. But the last time i bought RPG stuff, i realized i did not get what i wanted and was ready to pay for. Instead of getting "RPG rules stuff", "RPG background stuff" and "RPG adventure stuff", i got the three and a heavy dose of what i call "political commentary" in the form of storylines, world ideas and other stuff, which directly reflected and made a stand in regard to some topics i could also read in newspapers about.

Any text that differs from your chosen agenda is political commentary rammed down mah throat in mah gaems.

Any text that agrees with your chosen agenda is just telling it like it is.

Is that what you wanted to hear?

Quote from: danskmacabre;796274The only political commentary about the 5th Ed MM was someone saying the representation of males creatures vs Female creatures was apparently swayed more in favour of males over females.
It seemed to me like the person in question was looking for an excuse to be outraged, but hey, whatever.

I mercifully missed that.

Quote from: Omega;796287I mercifully missed that.

It was on TBP, as you would expect.
I read the first page or so of the thread and got bored after that.

Quote from: danskmacabre;796290It was on TBP, as you would expect.
I read the first page or so of the thread and got bored after that.

Yeah, it was a bit of a stretch.

I saw the original post that this guy's talking about. Basically, because PF and 5e have decided to be inclusive by including LBTQ-friendly elements and statements about choosing whatever gender you want, he feels excluded due to the fact that he supposedly can't outlaw these things by RAW. PF is the worse offender, because they've apparently produced adventures that very explicitly include same-sex love and marriage. There's also gay people writing some of these things.

It's all very frightening.

Maybe we should tell him that about slavery in Athas.

Quote from: Ashoka;796300I saw the original post that this guy's talking about. Basically, because PF and 5e have decided to be inclusive by including LBTQ-friendly elements and statements about choosing whatever gender you want, he feels excluded due to the fact that he supposedly can't outlaw these things by RAW. PF is the worse offender, because they've apparently produced adventures that very explicitly include same-sex love and marriage. There's also gay people writing some of these things.

It's all very frightening.

Maybe we should tell him that about slavery in Athas.

Don't quote me on this but I want to say that the Pathfinder setting assumes all people are bisexual by default and states this in the book. While that never came up in any of our games, the note did make me smile.

Quote from: stupidquestion;796234Instead of getting "RPG rules stuff", "RPG background stuff" and "RPG adventure stuff", i got the three and a heavy dose of what i call "political commentary" in the form of storylines, world ideas and other stuff, which directly reflected and made a stand in regard to some topics i could also read in newspapers about.

What did you buy?

Quote from: stupidquestion;796234Hence, i want to avoid to pay for "political commentary" when buying RPG stuff.

What games do you have that don't have any "political commentary" in them?  I'm serious. Authorial stance is common for any form of writing, but certainly some are more heavy handed.

Quote from: stupidquestion;7962344. If you do not know what i am talking about, i cannot do anything, because any details would probably get this thread banned or whatever is done in this forum

As far as I know, there are only a few banning issues on theRPGsite, (a) don't get excited about pedophilia, and (b) do not use RPGPundit's "real" name, and (c) no doxxing or supershitty behavior, or (d) anything illegal.

Other than that, free speech reigns. So start talking!!!

Quote from: Ashoka;796300I saw the original post that this guy's talking about.

Link?

Quote from: Certified;796315Don't quote me on this but I want to say that the Pathfinder setting assumes all people are bisexual by default and states this in the book.

Anybody got a link?

Quote from: Critias;796273What are you talking about?

Give us examples, here.  What game, supplement, adventure, whatever, was it that got you asking this?

Paizo Adventure Path 73, Paladin selling the magic sword inherited from her father to pay for "gender reassignment magic" as a wedding gift to her spouse suffering from biologically being male, so that their marriage can be more happy and complete.

Considering that a paladin per RAW must be lawful good and may not commit an evil act or act against code of conduct, especially act with honor (not lying, not cheating, not using poison, and so forth), without losing Pal class abilities, and that the repective pal did not have any such problems, the respectives paladins actions are declared by the respective authors (and Paizo leadership agrees as far as i know) to be exemplary conduct and any suggestions, that what that pal did was wrong in some way, are without base according to Paizo. Thats "political commentary" or maybe more precisely "moral commentary about issues currently fought about in politics".

Paizo is of course free to do this. And I am free not to pay for.

But since i paid inadvertently for this, because i never considered some RPG stuff might contain such blatant nonsense (a paladin, sworn to live a life of not metamophorically but literal fighting evil resistant or immune to non-magic weapons, selling her only magic weapon - also inherited from her father slain by demons - to please her lover and herself and she doesn't need attonement for this?) for "commentary" purposes, i decided to inform myself about any tendencies some company i consider buying products from might have for "commentary".

And i am not only interested about what the current books contain, but whether there's any guess about future products. Because i would mind buying basic rulebooks and then realize that further supplemental stuff again is used for "commentary" (in case you did not guess, Pathfinder basic rules do not contain any such hint).


And thats of course not the only example, but the most blatant and annoying, paladin selling her magic sword directly for personal pleasure and indirecty for authors "commentary" is nuts on so many levels.

@CRKrueger
As many of you are going to consider my question to be stupid, i thought it would be an honest name. Since i have no interest in posting here except for getting information about what to expect from D&D ( preferably also in the long run, but thats of course somewhat guessing), so i can decide whether to buy, i do not understand what your problem is.