Hi guys, first time poster here but long time gamer. Figured I'd talk about one of my favorite RPG's of all time, Big Eyes Small Mouth.
I'm an anime fan and personally, I love BESM for its rules-light approach and adaptability. I can literally GM anything with just my BESM 1e corebook, and I've been wondering if anyone else here likes this game?
If so, what was your favorite edition? Did you like the licensed books for the system (such as Sailor Moon or New Dominion Tank Police)?
TL;DR, Big Eyes Small Mouth general discussion.
Curious fact: this forum was originally set up by cosplay fans of Sailor Moon.
Quote from: Bilharzia;867337Curious fact: this forum was originally set up by cosplay fans of Sailor Moon.
Was it? I did not know that. I just discovered this site today.
I must admit, the Sailor Moon RPG for BESM 1e is one of my favorite RPG supplements out there.
On another note, I am working on some rules conversions to BESM 1e. Most notably I am trying to create a Resident Evil campaign for BESM (based on the classic Playstation games, not those awful movies from Paul W. Anderson) as well as a rules conversion of Vampire: The Masquerade 1e to BESM 1e as well (I have been inspired by reading 1993's GURPS: Vampire The Masquerade and thought I'd do something similar but with a system I am more familiar and experienced with), and I picked 1e Vampire because it is my favorite edition of VTM, with its open and mysterious setting, before the metaplot sank it and became overbearing.
I have the core game and both Cute Fuzzy "Cockfighting" Seizure Monsters, and Big Ears - Small Mouse. Both fun games.
I found the system to be a little clunky, much like GURPS. But overall not bad.
Also have the Dominion and Tenchi books somewhere. Not quite as detailed as the Palladium Macross or TMNT books but not bad overall.
I mainly have a hard copy of the 1e corebook and a PDF of the Sailor Moon Role-Playing Game and Resource Book. That's really it for now, but that's all I need for now.
I love BESM, it's so flexible.
Unfortunately looks like White Wolf via Arthaus is trying, or has now, acquired BESM.
Quote from: Omega;867349Unfortunately looks like White Wolf via Arthaus is trying, or has now, acquired BESM.
I remember that, they quietly released the 3e corebook and then did nothing, letting it fall out of print. Hell, it wasn't even part of the licensing deal when Onyx Path was formed.
Hopefully with White Wolf's IP's under new ownership, there is now a slim yet possible chance that BESM can get revived, relicensed to Onyx Path, or otherwise re-released.
Speaking of White Wolf IP's, I am currently working on a rules conversion of Vampire: The Masquerade to BESM 1e as I said before.
Mind if I post my conversion notes and ideas here or should I make a separate thread?
WW/AH's track record for fucking up their acquired IPs does not instill any confidence or hope. Especially if they carry over the staff.
As I mentioned in the artwork thread. One of my players loved BESM. But hated Okums art in it. We were at a hobby shop last year and there on the shelf was Draw Super Manga!: by Okum. The look on the players face was priceless.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51AG3KG0ZGL._SX384_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
Though have to agree. How do you botch drawing TinTin???
(http://rs281.pbsrc.com/albums/kk238/okumarts/tintin.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip)
Also approximates the look on said players face. :rotfl:
True, that's why I said it's a slim chance. From what I heard, the reason why Onyx Path did not get to license or purchase BESM was due to complicated legal issues stemming from the messy and complicated downfall of Guardians of the Order. I don't know if that is true and I hope it's not, because I would love to see BESM make a comeback one day.
Oh well, at least I have my copy of BESM 1e's corebook to keep me happy.
BESM 3rd edition came out under the Arthaus imprint in 2007. It's kind of an odd duck with a roll over rather than a roll under system like the other versions have.
The system is serviceable if a little clunky. The Silver Age Sentinels version looks like an improvement but I haven't had a chance to actually use it in play to be sure. I would probably use that version if I were running Tri-stat DX. It's made for superheroes but most of the difference between that and shonen anime or magical girl anime are tropes and conventions. It uses 2D10 which allows for a greater range of power levels.
The generic version, Tri-stat DX (http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/368/TriStat-dX-Core-System-RolePlaying-Game?it=1), is available free on Drivethru RPG.
Quote from: yosemitemike;867355BESM 3rd edition came out under the Arthaus imprint in 2007. It's kind of an odd duck with a roll over rather than a roll under system like the other versions have.
The system is serviceable if a little clunky. The Silver Age Sentinels version looks like an improvement but I haven't had a chance to actually use it in play to be sure. I would probably use that version if I were running Tri-stat DX. It's made for superheroes but most of the difference between that and shonen anime or magical girl anime are tropes and conventions. It uses 2D10 which allows for a greater range of power levels.
I am familiar with BESM 3e, I think I have it on PDF but I am unsure. I prefer 1e though. I will check out Silver Age Sentinels though, it sounds good.
But for the sake of familiarity, I will stick to classic 90s BESM 1e for my campaigns and my rules conversions. After I finish converting and playtesting BESM Vampire: The Masquerade, I may convert Werewolf: The Apocalypse and Mage: The Ascension to BESM as well.
Quote from: Doc Sammy;867356But for the sake of familiarity, I will stick to classic 90s BESM 1e for my campaigns and my rules conversions. After I finish converting and playtesting BESM Vampire: The Masquerade, I may convert Werewolf: The Apocalypse and Mage: The Ascension to BESM as well.
You may want to look at
Cold Hands, Dark Hearts--it's got a very WoDesque vibe to it, although I only have a passing familiarity with WoD.
I have BESM 2E, several supplements, and 3E, and occasionally think about going back to it and using it for something.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;867363You may want to look at Cold Hands, Dark Hearts--it's got a very WoDesque vibe to it, although I only have a passing familiarity with WoD.
I have BESM 2E, several supplements, and 3E, and occasionally think about going back to it and using it for something.
I've looked into it, and while it is a good book, it's not what I am seeking. I want a straight-up remake of 1e Masquerade, but with some very minor tweaks to the fluff and the system of BESM 1e.
Quote from: Doc Sammy;867333Hi guys, first time poster here but long time gamer. Figured I'd talk about one of my favorite RPG's of all time, Big Eyes Small Mouth.
I'm an anime fan and personally, I love BESM for its rules-light approach and adaptability. I can literally GM anything with just my BESM 1e corebook, and I've been wondering if anyone else here likes this game?
If so, what was your favorite edition? Did you like the licensed books for the system (such as Sailor Moon or New Dominion Tank Police)?
TL;DR, Big Eyes Small Mouth general discussion.
well im a fan of besmd20 my self its the core inspiration for the system im cooking on
I thought BESM D20 had potential but that the actual implementation was a hot mess. It seemed very slap dash and slapped together.
Quote from: Doc Sammy;867356But for the sake of familiarity, I will stick to classic 90s BESM 1e for my campaigns and my rules conversions. After I finish converting and playtesting BESM Vampire: The Masquerade, I may convert Werewolf: The Apocalypse and Mage: The Ascension to BESM as well.
If you like that roll under style system, BESM Revised Second Edition is the best iteration imo. The core of the game is the same but it has a lot of tweaks to make the system run better and a lot of character options. New copies are absurdly priced since it has been OOP for so long but you can get a PDF copy for a fairly reasonable price.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;867363You may want to look at Cold Hands, Dark Hearts--it's got a very WoDesque vibe to it, although I only have a passing familiarity with WoD.
Kind of but not really. It has a much more stylized, Romantic feel than WoD typically does. It's much more slanted to stuff like Vampire Princess Miyu, Blood+, Shingetsutan Tsukihime or even semi sci-fi stuff like Strike the Blood or Dance in the Vampire Bund.
Quote from: yosemitemike;867381I thought BESM D20 had potential but that the actual implementation was a hot mess. It seemed very slap dash and slapped together.
If you like that roll under style system, BESM Revised Second Edition is the best iteration imo. The core of the game is the same but it has a lot of tweaks to make the system run better and a lot of character options. New copies are absurdly priced since it has been OOP for so long but you can get a PDF copy for a fairly reasonable price.
Kind of but not really. It has a much more stylized, Romantic feel than WoD typically does. It's much more slanted to stuff like Vampire Princess Miyu, Blood+, Shingetsutan Tsukihime or even semi sci-fi stuff like Strike the Blood or Dance in the Vampire Bund.
yah thats why its the basis though at this point i cant call the system im working on d20 its got huge changes most of it based around making fighter types viable
BESM is one of those games I've never played or ran but still have a soft spot for. I'm not sure it really has any advantage to running its subject over systems I'm already familiar with... but it is a great sourcebook for breaking down those tropes into RPG terms, and it does read like it would be easy and fun at the table.
What's the big diff between 2nd edition (available cheap) and 2nd edition revised? Something major or is it just a collector thing?
Quote from: kosmos1214;867393yah thats why its the basis though at this point i cant call the system im working on d20 its got huge changes most of it based around making fighter types viable
At that point, you have done enough work that you may as well have just written your own game.
Quote from: Simlasa;867394What's the big diff between 2nd edition (available cheap) and 2nd edition revised? Something major or is it just a collector thing?
The difference is pretty minimal.
Quote from: yosemitemike;867400At that point, you have done enough work that you may as well have just written your own game.
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thats what i did start doing after a point
Now, for my BESM Vampire: The Masquerade conversions, should I post them in this thread or somewhere else on these boards?
one of the best campaigns I've ever been in was a BESMd20 game that was a space opera setting that the GM created.
it was also the campaign where he decided, "Most campaigns have the PCs be poor. what will these guys do if I give them SERIOUS money?"
Well, as it turned out, we hired the space pirates to be the space police.
Bought out several evil corporations.
Found the ancient aliens responsible for creating life in our spiral arm of the galaxy.
Accidentally freed an ancient evil upon the universe.
Built a Ringworld to distract the evil corporation that was backed by the ancient evil. (the GM wouldn't let us build a Dyson Sphere, we couldn't get enough gravity generators for the inside to be habitable)
Beat up the ancient evil and trapped it in a pokeball.
Shot a lot of people with bowel disruptors. (lending the GM my copy of Transmetropolitan was the best thing ever)
How was BESM d20?
Quote from: Frey;867513How was BESM d20?
I found it clunky and too restrictive for a high action anime style game, where players can cross 30 foot fields in about a second, throw a hundred attacks at each other in the next second and disengage without repercussion.
I have BESM 2e, somewhere, I think. But for now, I have Wise Turtle's OVA (Open Versatile Anime) RPG for my anime game needs. It's not perfect (Several 'stats' are actually redundant) but it does the job I want.
What's the primary difference in how OVA addresses anime vs. BESM? The main thing seems to be to present the tropes, have fast combats and maybe some social mechanism for soap opera elements.
So, would my BESM Vampire: The Masquerade conversion go here or on the Design, Development, and Gameplay section of the forum?
Quote from: Frey;867513How was BESM d20?
It's a slapdash mess. It looks really thrown together and half assed. The system doesn't really suit the genre very well. It's not very well thought out. It just isn't very good.
Quote from: Frey;867513How was BESM d20?
Its good because its put almost everything from BESM (Attributes, Skills and Defects) under the Anime D20 SRD. So we don't have deal with all WW/AH mess!
Hell, they even used it to make Open Core (mixing it with Action! System).
Its one of my favorite systems. I have the 1st and 2 edition and most of the books for it. I had a lot of run running Slayers. Also ran Dominion Tank Police and Tenchi Muyo once.
Big fan of BESM 2nd edition, was my go-to system for years. Moreover, to this day I consider the Tenchi Muyo RPG the penultimate example of how to adapt a licensed property to an established RPG system. It's a work of beauty.
I sort of ignored 3rd edition. I didn't see the point, and didn't really hear anything good about it.
Silver Age Sentinels managed to overthink itself, and Tri-Stat DX in general (along with the D20 versions of games) seemed to be the coffin nails in the company. It's a damn shame. I liked GoO a lot.
I bought 3e for a game that never really got off the ground. I don't think it's as bad as some people make it out to be but there's no real reason to chose it over the much better supported 2e unless you are one of those people who has a philosophical objection to roll under systems.
I used the Tri-Stat DX system document to run a reasonably effective short campaign inspired by Mega Man X. I was satisfied enough.
Quote from: Simlasa;867519What's the primary difference in how OVA addresses anime vs. BESM? The main thing seems to be to present the tropes, have fast combats and maybe some social mechanism for soap opera elements.
It's the way the 'stats' work. There's no unified int/dex/str mechanism in OVA, just a baseline assumption, and there's a list of attributes that you can add to it. Like being handsome, having minions, being filthy rich, being super fast, so on and so forth. It's a loose system that can be both freeing and utterly maddening for those wanting detail. You counterbalance that by choosing anime appropriate flaws to get a balance of 0 or some other criteria that you can choose.
In the end it's pretty freeform which has its own hassles to deal with.
Quote from: Christopher Brady;867787In the end it's pretty freeform which has its own hassles to deal with.
OK, yeah... that doesn't sound like my sort of thing.
Quote from: Simlasa;867942OK, yeah... that doesn't sound like my sort of thing.
Let me clarify, not to change your mind, but to explain a little better. The base mechanic is a roll bunch of d6, take the highest add modifiers. If you get multiples you add them together and again, take the highest (so if you roll 4 dice and get 1, 2, 2, 6, although the twos add together, the end result is going to be 6 anyway, cuz it's the best you got.
Attributes add dice, flaws subtract dice. And no matter what you always start with 2d6 for everything you want to do.
What I meant by 'freeform' is that Attributes can include things like Strength, Magic ability, Shapeshifting, Healing, having a Mecha/Vehicle...
The actual rules are very loose and open to interpretation to the point of 'there's no wrong way' to actually adjudicate them. For example, there are no Falling Rules, but you can using the base mechanics decide that your 'realistic' (it's anime, if something isn't violated -Physics, other Sciences, Sense of Disbelief, School Girls- within 5 minutes of the show or game, there's something wrong) that they will take X damage (which X being the multiplier) whenever they fall a certain amount of feet, done.
That's what I meant by 'freeform', maybe 'open to interpretation' might have been a better choice of words
Again, not trying to change your mind, just clarifying.
Quote from: Christopher Brady;867991Again, not trying to change your mind, just clarifying.
It's the Attributes as, seemingly, open-ended descriptions that kind of puts me off. I'm sure, like Fate, it plays well with the right group. I'd happily try it... but if I'm going to run something I think BESM sounds more my speed.
Quote from: Simlasa;868025It's the Attributes as, seemingly, open-ended descriptions that kind of puts me off. I'm sure, like Fate, it plays well with the right group. I'd happily try it... but if I'm going to run something I think BESM sounds more my speed.
Honestly, I wish I had the 3e book. I seem to have lost all my 2e ones. But for now, OVA works for me.
Quote from: Simlasa;868025It's the Attributes as, seemingly, open-ended descriptions that kind of puts me off. I'm sure, like Fate, it plays well with the right group. I'd happily try it... but if I'm going to run something I think BESM sounds more my speed.
IIRC, attributes aren't open ended per se in OVA. There's a list of them to buy from, just like the list of "extras" or whatever they call them in BESM. (Have a big mech, ludicrously attractive to the opposite sex, etc.) It's the same list as in all the anime or supers style games of this type. And it has the same detriments--points cost seem arbitrary at times, and it is possible, even accidentally, to min/max/munchkin a character. And sometimes, like supers games, getting exactly what you want for a character concept can take some thinking/design, especially if you are trying to stay under a points cap.
I think a lot of games of this type would benefit from having templates. Certain character types players like should have templates you can modify to make it easier for players new to the system to get into it. Wading through several dozen attribute/characteristic options to find the one you want can be daunting/annoying. Or, trying to make a certain type of character work they way you want.
Quote from: Doc Sammy;867339Was it? I did not know that. I just discovered this site today.
I must admit, the Sailor Moon RPG for BESM 1e is one of my favorite RPG supplements out there.
No, it wasn't. But you're still welcome at theRPGsite! Even for talking about the Sailor Moon RPG.
I'm a fan of BESM - at one point I got in as a playtester for the line, and after that got a free copy of just about everything they made until BESMd20 came along.
I've got a copy of 3rd, but I'm more happy with the 2nd edition books that I've got. A lot of fun stuff came out of that.
Quote from: RPGPundit;868266No, it wasn't.
Too late, the legend is already growing.
The problem with the Sailor Moon RPG is that the planned follow-up books never came out so it only covers season one. How am I supposed to proceed without canonical stats for the Sailor Starlights?
Quote from: yosemitemike;868410The problem with the Sailor Moon RPG is that the planned follow-up books never came out so it only covers season one. How am I supposed to proceed without canonical stats for the Sailor Starlights?
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I won a free copy of the original BESM back in 1997 at Gen Con, and that hooked me. I bought 2E (but not the revision, nor 3E), and the Sailor Moon, Tenchi Muyo!, and El-Hazard supplements. The writing for these, particularly the latter two, was very strong, as they were also "fan guides."
I ended up running a pretty fast-and-loose game with some friends where we took all three of those anime and mashed them up, together with Dragonball Z (using some very off-the-cuff adaptations of the Fuzion RPG of the latter title). The kicker was that some DBZ villains were the bad guys for the campaign, which kept the PCs (who were from the former three series) completely on the defensive, despite being powerhouses in-and-of themselves.
It was only one session, but it was so completely gonzo that everyone had a lot of fun. (I later wrote up some homebrew rules for DBZ powers under the Tri-State system in anticipation of a follow-up game which never happened. I stumbled across a print-out of those very recently, and was quite tickled, since I hadn't thought of them in years.)
I always favoured TFOS over BESM, probably since I got it like 10 years before BESM hit. fun times!
I liked the BESM D20 point buy system. Especially when it was used in Everstone: Blood Legacy. Straight BESM isn't really my jam.
There was a while where the Sailor Moon RPG was insanely popular here in Uruguay, you'd always see a group (almost always an all-teenage-girl group) playing it here. It was largely responsible for the influx of a large number of young women into the local hobby.
Quote from: yosemitemike;868410The problem with the Sailor Moon RPG is that the planned follow-up books never came out so it only covers season one. How am I supposed to proceed without canonical stats for the Sailor Starlights?
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Anyway, someone tried to make a BESM retroclone? And no, OVA doesn't count.
Quote from: DarcyDettmann;868495Anyway, someone tried to make a BESM retroclone? And no, OVA doesn't count.
OVA was out at about the same time, it's over 10 years old as a system, so no, it's not a retro-clone of anything.
In other news, I found my Grave of Uresia book! And my BESM Dungeon for fantasy book! HAPPY!
Quote from: Christopher Brady;868583OVA was out at about the same time, it's over 10 years old as a system, so no, it's not a retro-clone of anything.
In other news, I found my Grave of Uresia book! And my BESM Dungeon for fantasy book! HAPPY!
Yay!
As a note, S. John Ross released an updated edition of 'Grave of Uresia' a while back, you can find it on Lulu. Non-system specific.
Quote from: jcfiala;868631Yay!
As a note, S. John Ross released an updated edition of 'Grave of Uresia' a while back, you can find it on Lulu. Non-system specific.
The only issue I have with it is the price. I don't know why, but I get twitchy when it jumps over 15USD. Then again, I am Canadian, and at this moment, it works out to 20CDN, and given my financial situation, I really need to count the pennies first.
Quote from: DarcyDettmann;868495Anyway, someone tried to make a BESM retroclone?
What would such a thing actually look like?
Well, funny you should mention it, but I am in the early concept phases of creating an OSR retro game that can best be described as OD&D meets BESM in a lot of ways. The RPG is titled Anime & Adventuring and I have made a thread for it in the Design forum.
I love Silver Age Sentinels. I'd like to see official character sheets for the rest of the characters illustrated in the core book (Red Minstrel and Muzhik for example).
I've not had the opportunity to play BESM 3e, however I've read it and despite some minor typos it stands as my favorite iteration of Tri-stat.
I'll also purchase both the Empire City Sourcebook and Whispering Winds the day they're released if that day ever comes.
If Arthaus / Onyx Path converted Silver Age Sentinels to BESM 3e they'd have a runaway hit on their hands.
Quote from: yosemitemike;868646What would such a thing actually look like?
Probably very similar to H.O.L. now that I think about it
Quote from: Wiroki;877284If Arthaus / Onyx Path converted Silver Age Sentinels to BESM 3e they'd have a runaway hit on their hands.
I love Silver Age Sentinels too but I very much doubt that is the case. The anime boom is long over.
Quote from: TristramEvans;877319Probably very similar to H.O.L. now that I think about it
I don't get it. It's been too long since I read H.O.L.
Quote from: yosemitemike;877339I don't get it. It's been too long since I read H.O.L.
Minimal stats with a d6 mechanic + "traits"
BESM was Body Mind and Soul, just thinking that a retroclone could have something like "Brain" "Meat" and "Heart", made me immediately think of HOL's system.
BESM 3rd edition stands as my favorite system for running an actual "Anime" game. I had an awesome "Ranma 1/2 the Next Generation" campaign going for awhile...
Alas, my girlfriend of 2 years is not the biggest fan of Anime, so I've had little motivation to run an actual Anime style game... That and the more "subgerne-ish" Anime settings tend to have systems which are more easily accessible..
Cyberpunk with Psychics? Well, I can use Interface Zero, or Mutants and Masterminds..
God like powerful fantasy characters? Well Godbound handles that perfectly now...
Regular anime style fantasy? D&D 5th can handle that with an emphasis on trappings..
Still, it works great for a lot of other typical anime style genres, and I might use the system to specifically model a particular series I wanted to use...or if I was using the provided setting ((Seriously, the 3rd ed setting for BESM is fucking awesome))
But, my GF is in my gaming group...and well, I wouldn't be able to get her to play if it were a straight up Anime game...If I had more time to game, I could just run it on a different day...however given the hassles of real life, I can only afford one game day a week.
Quote from: Orphan81;877378Regular anime style fantasy? D&D 5th can handle that with an emphasis on trappings..
Really? Cuz I know of no rogue who can grab a formerly chained monster's manacle get tossed some 50 feet into the air, grab a clothesline use it to increase momentum to remove it's chest plate.
5e can do fantasy, but outside of magic, it's can't do anime physics very well.
It can do Lodoss War style anime fantasy but Lodoss War essentially is D&D. It started as someone's D&D setting.
I would love to run a Precure game but I don't have any players that "get" how the franchise works or have any interest in playing.
Quote from: Christopher Brady;877384Really? Cuz I know of no rogue who can grab a formerly chained monster's manacle get tossed some 50 feet into the air, grab a clothesline use it to increase momentum to remove it's chest plate.
5e can do fantasy, but outside of magic, it's can't do anime physics very well.
Hence why I said "Godbound" for over the top Anime Fantasy...
If you want something more like Lodoss war, or Berserk, 5th edition can do that fine.
Edit: I say Godbound now because I love it, but before it, Exalted and Mutants and Masterminds did fantasy anime great too. Well Exalted 1st ed.
Quote from: Orphan81;877396Hence why I said "Godbound" for over the top Anime Fantasy...
If you want something more like Lodoss war, or Berserk, 5th edition can do that fine.
A rogue throws a knife into a Dragon's eye (in the first episode no less, my friends still refer to a bullshit cool moment to this day as a Woodchuck moment) and blinds it in one shot. Sorry, doesn't hold up.
Guts is a raging engine of destruction that goes against gods and demons from his first outing, carrying a sword that could best be described as a vaguely shaped slab of barely hammered steel (or so the author goes on and on about in his earlier manga) and has no magical properties, and yet, he's the only one who can use it. This one is still more Godbound than D&D.
Used Tri-Stat and wasn't unhappy. They days I'd rather use TBZ or OVA, or anything else that fits.
It's not that BESM was a bad system, it just didn't have much to recommend it.
Quote from: yosemitemike;877339I love Silver Age Sentinels too but I very much doubt that is the case. The anime boom is long over.
I don't get it. It's been too long since I read H.O.L.
The anime boom is over but the supers boom is still going strong. BESM 3e is a toolkit, change the name to Silver Age Sentinels 2e (or something similar) and it'll be a success.
Quote from: Christopher Brady;877455A rogue throws a knife into a Dragon's eye (in the first episode no less, my friends still refer to a bullshit cool moment to this day as a Woodchuck moment) and blinds it in one shot. Sorry, doesn't hold up.
Guts is a raging engine of destruction that goes against gods and demons from his first outing, carrying a sword that could best be described as a vaguely shaped slab of barely hammered steel (or so the author goes on and on about in his earlier manga) and has no magical properties, and yet, he's the only one who can use it. This one is still more Godbound than D&D.
Critical hit. As for guts, no he doesn't, the entire first part of his story is working along side Griffith as his head lieutenant for years across multiple battles and smaller skirmishes. I would call that leveling up thank you much.
I greatly enjoyed Silver Age Sentinels. I'm not a big Anime fan so BESM didn't draw me, but I loved using Tri-Stat for Nightbane. For a while, Tri-Stat was my go-to generic system.
If I ever needed a generic system, I don't know what I would reach for today.
Was there ever a Tri-Stat retroclone?
Quote from: Wiroki;877462The anime boom is over but the supers boom is still going strong. BESM 3e is a toolkit, change the name to Silver Age Sentinels 2e (or something similar) and it'll be a success.
I like SAS but it wasn't that big when it was new and it has been defunct for over a decade now and is mostly forgotten. It has become just another one of the many supers game that has come and gone over the years. I doubt that a generic anime game rebranded as the second edition of a mostly forgotten generic supers game would be the big success you think it would be. The market for supers games is already pretty crowded and the success of the movies doesn't seem to be spilling over into it very much.
anime anime will boom again i dont know when though
Quote from: Spinachcat;877500I greatly enjoyed Silver Age Sentinels. I'm not a big Anime fan so BESM didn't draw me, but I loved using Tri-Stat for Nightbane. For a while, Tri-Stat was my go-to generic system.
If I ever needed a generic system, I don't know what I would reach for today.
Was there ever a Tri-Stat retroclone?
Kinda, Open Core Classic (http://battlefieldpress.com/category/games/open-core-games/) and Open Core Quick, both uses Action! System and Anime D20 as base.
Both messed up pretty bad the Attributes/Sub-Attributes cost and don't have vehicles rules.
And i am trying to make a retroclone (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AB2cU6PqA6oU4vbcHJ1UOgv2Ryg-O3I38N6PfSo05yw/edit?usp=sharing) too, but sadly i don't have a "good" power system or vehicle rules.
I've decided to get back onto my idea of converting Vampire: The Masquerade to BESM and fixing a lot of the issues and hang-ups White Wolf had. Look for it soon.
Not sure if I should start with the default modern setting (Vampire: The Masquerade 1st Edition) or the medieval setting (Dark Ages: Vampire) though.
I have fond memories of playing BESM 2nd Edition, as well as running a couple BESM/Tri-Stat campaigns around 2006-2007. Fun and simple system!
Quote from: Doc Sammy;877963I've decided to get back onto my idea of converting Vampire: The Masquerade to BESM and fixing a lot of the issues and hang-ups White Wolf had. Look for it soon.
Not sure if I should start with the default modern setting (Vampire: The Masquerade 1st Edition) or the medieval setting (Dark Ages: Vampire) though.
If you can find it, the
Cold Hands, Dark Hearts book was built around that sort of idea.
Quote from: jcfiala;878034If you can find it, the Cold Hands, Dark Hearts book was built around that sort of idea.
I still have my copy. It's slightly schizophrenic in it's presentation, but other than that, it's a cool game.
Cold Hands Dark Hearts is good, I have it on PDF, but it's not what I am looking for. I want a direct port of early Vampire: The Masquerade with the personal horror stripped out (which is easily achieved by removing Humanity and getting rid of the metaplot, at least mechanically. The rest is just how you GM it). And since White Wolf/Onyx Path isn't going to do it, I'll do it myself.
Yes, I do like Vampire: The Masquerade as an action-adventure game. I like horror, but not personal horror.
Quote from: Doc Sammy;878129Yes, I do like Vampire: The Masquerade as an action-adventure game. I like horror, but not personal horror.
Ah. Superheros with fangs, etc?
I remember getting to run BESM Fantasy for my group at the time. It was a bit weird, testing out the characters versus a goblin horde. It was hard to gauge power levels, etc.
Quote from: Nihilistic Mind;878153Ah. Superheros with fangs, etc?
I remember getting to run BESM Fantasy for my group at the time. It was a bit weird, testing out the characters versus a goblin horde. It was hard to gauge power levels, etc.
Yup. Half my games are "superheroes with fangs" and the other half are extremely political with some action on the side. I find the very notion of personal horror to be pretentious and boring.
For me, the ideal Vampire game is like
Game of Thrones meets
Black Lagoon with fangs.
Quote from: Doc Sammy;878175Yup. Half my games are "superheroes with fangs" and the other half are extremely political with some action on the side. I find the very notion of personal horror to be pretentious and boring.
For me, the ideal Vampire game is like Game of Thrones meets Black Lagoon with fangs.
Sounds like fun!
Quote from: Doc Sammy;878175For me, the ideal Vampire game is like Game of Thrones meets Black Lagoon with fangs.
Hopefully, the plots would be more elaborate, though.
Quote from: AsenRG;878187Hopefully, the plots would be more elaborate, though.
Possibly, depending on the game I am intending to run.