We have reached the point in society where my instinctual response to "neo-nazi" or "nazi" is press x to doubt.

I know fuck-all about Varg and his game. I'm not arguing what he is or is not. Just that when I see that claim made about some guy I don't know and have never heard of, I immediately assume it's just so much noise. This seems relevant to anti-colonialist D&D being fake and dumb, but if it's off-topic, go ahead and ding me for it.

Quote from: bat on January 15, 2025, 08:17:14 PMI am just pointing out that he put a clever spin on the approach, 'We are not the colonists, we are the ones taking our land back!'

So, Reconquista?

Quote from: Corolinth on January 16, 2025, 01:41:53 AMWe have reached the point in society where my instinctual response to "neo-nazi" or "nazi" is press x to doubt.

I know fuck-all about Varg and his game. I'm not arguing what he is or is not. Just that when I see that claim made about some guy I don't know and have never heard of, I immediately assume it's just so much noise. This seems relevant to anti-colonialist D&D being fake and dumb, but if it's off-topic, go ahead and ding me for it.

As Varg does design rpgs I believe it is relevant and he is pretty intense (he is one of the black metal church burners from the 90s who did time for that and stabbing a guy to death). And while he has softened on his racism (he was openly a neo-nazi while in prison) he is still not a fan of some people. I don't back him, I am just saying all they had to do is reverse the situation like he did and people might have bought into it more.

Quote from: bat on January 16, 2025, 11:11:17 AM

Quote from: Corolinth on January 16, 2025, 01:41:53 AMWe have reached the point in society where my instinctual response to "neo-nazi" or "nazi" is press x to doubt.

I know fuck-all about Varg and his game. I'm not arguing what he is or is not. Just that when I see that claim made about some guy I don't know and have never heard of, I immediately assume it's just so much noise. This seems relevant to anti-colonialist D&D being fake and dumb, but if it's off-topic, go ahead and ding me for it.

As Varg does design rpgs I believe it is relevant and he is pretty intense (he is one of the black metal church burners from the 90s who did time for that and stabbing a guy to death). And while he has softened on his racism (he was openly a neo-nazi while in prison) he is still not a fan of some people. I don't back him, I am just saying all they had to do is reverse the situation like he did and people might have bought into it more.

To Corolinth's question, the following is the from the race section of Vikernes' MyFarog RPG.

QuoteDarklings and Weaklings are the names of the only known races of the swarthy and cruel Arbi species. In Thule, these semi-humans are all either savage pirates operating along the coast or vile bandits inland. Those of them who have not been killed or caught and enthralled are all seen as outlaws. They have and respect no real deities. They are filthy, vulgar, have fang-like teeth, and they eat and live very much just like (other?) predatory animals, and show no signs of wanting to change this. Darkling and Weakling characters in Thule characters have -2 Poison and Disease Resistance (due to a lack of Sunshine vitamins), -1 Cold Toughness and +1 Heat Toughness.

Foreigner is the name of the only known race of the Khemetian species. The light- to olive-skinned and often curly-haired Foreigners in Thule arrives as peaceful merchants, and operate as such many places in Thule. At first they were not welcomed, but they have eventually become tolerated or even accepted by many natives. The Foreigners not living their lives as Free Men are either Outlaws or have been enthralled. They are not natives in Thule, so they can not become Nobles. Foreigner characters in Thule have -1 Poison and Disease Resistance (due to a lack of Sunshine vitamins).

Native is the name of the most common race of the fair Thulean species. They are seen as the natives of Thule, although they were really brought there by the deities in ancient times. The Natives live in both so-called primitive nomadic tribes and in civilized and cultivated agricultural societies. What they all have in common is their divine heritage and the opportunity to become divine in death -- although not all Natives care about, acknowledge, or for that matter are even aware of this. Oblivion has taken many of them already.

When bat says he is "not a fan of some people" - that is to say that he is still openly a white nationalist, and opposes non-white races.

Quote from: jhkim on January 16, 2025, 02:04:17 PMWhen bat says he is "not a fan of some people" - that is to say that he is still openly a white nationalist, and opposes non-white races.

I see there was some confusion surrounding the phrase, "I'm not arguing what he is or is not," and some of you have interpreted that as an invitation to argue with me about what Varg is or is not. Let me clarify.

We are starting Year 11 of The Little Leftist Who Cried Nazi. It's actually been going on longer than that, but 2015 is when it really got cranked up to 11. Words like "racist" or "nazi" and terms like "white nationalist" don't have any meaning anymore. It's like when the soil has been depleted of all its nutrients, and you can't grow crops. This is what the people whining about colonialism and pushing for anti-colonialist D&D have done to us.

I'm sure there are credible sources, here. You've got receipts, I'm not denying that. He's a white dude who went to prison. His choices were 1) become a neo-nazi or 2) become a woman. Since we're still referring to him as "he" that tells us which choice he made. But I'm still rolling my eyes at the accusation, nonetheless.

Quote from: Corolinth on January 16, 2025, 02:39:23 PM

Quote from: jhkim on January 16, 2025, 02:04:17 PMWhen bat says he is "not a fan of some people" - that is to say that he is still openly a white nationalist, and opposes non-white races.

I see there was some confusion surrounding the phrase, "I'm not arguing what he is or is not," and some of you have interpreted that as an invitation to argue with me about what Varg is or is not. Let me clarify.

We are starting Year 11 of The Little Leftist Who Cried Nazi. It's actually been going on longer than that, but 2015 is when it really got cranked up to 11. Words like "racist" or "nazi" and terms like "white nationalist" don't have any meaning anymore. It's like when the soil has been depleted of all its nutrients, and you can't grow crops. This is what the people whining about colonialism and pushing for anti-colonialist D&D have done to us.

I'm sure there are credible sources, here. You've got receipts, I'm not denying that. He's a white dude who went to prison. His choices were 1) become a neo-nazi or 2) become a woman. Since we're still referring to him as "he" that tells us which choice he made. But I'm still rolling my eyes at the accusation, nonetheless.

From what I can tell, Varg is currently a very open and strident European ethno-nationalist of the neo-pagan variety. I think that's a label he would agree with if asked. Whether you call that a "nazi" or not is up to you. Personally, I prefer more precise terminology on this kind of topic. If you want to verify his current views, his Twitter account is up and recently active.

As far as him going to prison: Yes, but he went to prison in the 90s in Norway, so I don't think becoming a woman was an option at the time, and I don't know if their prisons have the same racial gang dynamic that ours do.

Quote from: jhkim on January 16, 2025, 02:04:17 PM

Quote from: bat on January 16, 2025, 11:11:17 AM

Quote from: Corolinth on January 16, 2025, 01:41:53 AMWe have reached the point in society where my instinctual response to "neo-nazi" or "nazi" is press x to doubt.

I know fuck-all about Varg and his game. I'm not arguing what he is or is not. Just that when I see that claim made about some guy I don't know and have never heard of, I immediately assume it's just so much noise. This seems relevant to anti-colonialist D&D being fake and dumb, but if it's off-topic, go ahead and ding me for it.

As Varg does design rpgs I believe it is relevant and he is pretty intense (he is one of the black metal church burners from the 90s who did time for that and stabbing a guy to death). And while he has softened on his racism (he was openly a neo-nazi while in prison) he is still not a fan of some people. I don't back him, I am just saying all they had to do is reverse the situation like he did and people might have bought into it more.

To Corolinth's question, the following is the from the race section of Vikernes' MyFarog RPG.

QuoteDarklings and Weaklings are the names of the only known races of the swarthy and cruel Arbi species. In Thule, these semi-humans are all either savage pirates operating along the coast or vile bandits inland. Those of them who have not been killed or caught and enthralled are all seen as outlaws. They have and respect no real deities. They are filthy, vulgar, have fang-like teeth, and they eat and live very much just like (other?) predatory animals, and show no signs of wanting to change this. Darkling and Weakling characters in Thule characters have -2 Poison and Disease Resistance (due to a lack of Sunshine vitamins), -1 Cold Toughness and +1 Heat Toughness.

Foreigner is the name of the only known race of the Khemetian species. The light- to olive-skinned and often curly-haired Foreigners in Thule arrives as peaceful merchants, and operate as such many places in Thule. At first they were not welcomed, but they have eventually become tolerated or even accepted by many natives. The Foreigners not living their lives as Free Men are either Outlaws or have been enthralled. They are not natives in Thule, so they can not become Nobles. Foreigner characters in Thule have -1 Poison and Disease Resistance (due to a lack of Sunshine vitamins).

Native is the name of the most common race of the fair Thulean species. They are seen as the natives of Thule, although they were really brought there by the deities in ancient times. The Natives live in both so-called primitive nomadic tribes and in civilized and cultivated agricultural societies. What they all have in common is their divine heritage and the opportunity to become divine in death -- although not all Natives care about, acknowledge, or for that matter are even aware of this. Oblivion has taken many of them already.

When bat says he is "not a fan of some people" - that is to say that he is still openly a white nationalist, and opposes non-white races.

Are these from the first or second edition? He did dilute the 2nd edition from what I had heard, I bought the 1st edition and ended up throwing it away in the trash. I have a diverse table and I don't entertain those views at my table. I am not a fan of Varg, he does make rpgs and for some reason ReconQuest came up as a suggestion on Amazon, more than likely because I teach world mythologies and I am a heathen, I am just not a white supremacist by any stretch of the imagination.

Quote from: ForgottenF on January 16, 2025, 03:09:19 PM

Quote from: Corolinth on January 16, 2025, 02:39:23 PM

Quote from: jhkim on January 16, 2025, 02:04:17 PMWhen bat says he is "not a fan of some people" - that is to say that he is still openly a white nationalist, and opposes non-white races.

I see there was some confusion surrounding the phrase, "I'm not arguing what he is or is not," and some of you have interpreted that as an invitation to argue with me about what Varg is or is not. Let me clarify.

We are starting Year 11 of The Little Leftist Who Cried Nazi. It's actually been going on longer than that, but 2015 is when it really got cranked up to 11. Words like "racist" or "nazi" and terms like "white nationalist" don't have any meaning anymore. It's like when the soil has been depleted of all its nutrients, and you can't grow crops. This is what the people whining about colonialism and pushing for anti-colonialist D&D have done to us.

I'm sure there are credible sources, here. You've got receipts, I'm not denying that. He's a white dude who went to prison. His choices were 1) become a neo-nazi or 2) become a woman. Since we're still referring to him as "he" that tells us which choice he made. But I'm still rolling my eyes at the accusation, nonetheless.

From what I can tell, Varg is currently a very open and strident European ethno-nationalist of the neo-pagan variety. I think that's a label he would agree with if asked. Whether you call that a "nazi" or not is up to you. Personally, I prefer more precise terminology on this kind of topic. If you want to verify his current views, his Twitter account is up and recently active.

As far as him going to prison: Yes, but he went to prison in the 90s in Norway, so I don't think becoming a woman was an option at the time, and I don't know if their prisons have the same racial gang dynamic that ours do.

If you watch the documentary on Black Metal, 'Until the Light takes Us' (currently on Amazon, was on Tubi, might still be) Varg is in it and clearly is dressed as a neo-nazi in some of the pictures shown. Allegedly he has mellowed out, he does not like the 'Big Three' at all (Abrahamic religions).


Edit: Let's not give him any traction, I only mention this spin on 'colonizing' that he presents in his latest game which the other companies did not consider, that was my only intention.

Quote from: Corolinth on January 16, 2025, 01:41:53 AMWe have reached the point in society where my instinctual response to "neo-nazi" or "nazi" is press x to doubt.

I know fuck-all about Varg and his game. I'm not arguing what he is or is not. Just that when I see that claim made about some guy I don't know and have never heard of, I immediately assume it's just so much noise. This seems relevant to anti-colonialist D&D being fake and dumb, but if it's off-topic, go ahead and ding me for it.

I mean, he was a famous neo-nazi and went to prison for murder related to his goal to have Scandinavian black metal fall under neo-nazi control instead of satanist control.

Quote from: RPGPundit on January 17, 2025, 03:53:31 AM

Quote from: Corolinth on January 16, 2025, 01:41:53 AMWe have reached the point in society where my instinctual response to "neo-nazi" or "nazi" is press x to doubt.

I know fuck-all about Varg and his game. I'm not arguing what he is or is not. Just that when I see that claim made about some guy I don't know and have never heard of, I immediately assume it's just so much noise. This seems relevant to anti-colonialist D&D being fake and dumb, but if it's off-topic, go ahead and ding me for it.

I mean, he was a famous neo-nazi and went to prison for murder related to his goal to have Scandinavian black metal fall under neo-nazi control instead of satanist control.

I think you underestimate the ignorance of American audiences to all things non-American. This site is literally the only place I've ever seen Varg or his game mentioned.

Receipts have been brought in the form of quotes/scans of his books so Varg clearly is as claimed, but he's definitely someone a typical American consumer would have to already know exists to be able to find him or his products. Scandinavian metal and rpgs just aren't on a typical American's radar.

Conversely, if you're American and to the right of Mao you've been called a Nazi at least once. It's become a term devoid of meaning in America by its overuse.

Thus, the need to clarify that Varg isn't a 'nazi' (anyone the Left disagrees with), he's a genuine Nazi (flip his Master race hierarchy on its head and he'd fit right in with the modern Left).

I am old enough to remember the church burnings he did, was unaware of the murder, listen to all kinds of metal, saw the documentary, read up on him, heard he had mellowed (he has a wikipedia, I am not giving him traction by linking), bought the 1st Edition of MyFarog, saw what was posted above, destroyed my copy, heard he had mellowed even more, didn't buy it, ignored the 2e and heard about his new game on an Amazon suggestion. Having grown up two hours from a neo-nazi compound that has been thankfully burned to the ground in the late 90s, I am painfully aware of the difference as an American of non actual fascists and what the media tells us are. I had only bought his first edition because I had heard he mellowed out and at that time obviously had not. The world of game design is filled with people we admire and abhor. I do not care how good his game is, until he totally drops his hate I am not supporting him anymore, especially as I too am a heathen, yet I do not support his views and he makes the rest of us look like him, which is a bit of a battle sometimes. One oddity is that he claims that the Lord of the Rings is a big inspiration for him, yet he always thought orcs were the race he could identify with the most over the others and he even went by 'Count Grishnakh' (an orc from the Two Towers) for some time.

Quote from: Chris24601 on January 17, 2025, 05:12:34 AMI think you underestimate the ignorance of American audiences to all things non-American. This site is literally the only place I've ever seen Varg or his game mentioned.

  You're fortunate. I came across him on Twitter/X (not following; not for any treasure in this world) when he was making his claims that Tolkien was "really pagan at heart" and just posed as Catholic out of social pressure. (The more you know about Tolkien, the more risible this claim becomes.)

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on January 17, 2025, 11:21:50 AM

Quote from: Chris24601 on January 17, 2025, 05:12:34 AMI think you underestimate the ignorance of American audiences to all things non-American. This site is literally the only place I've ever seen Varg or his game mentioned.

  You're fortunate. I came across him on Twitter/X (not following; not for any treasure in this world) when he was making his claims that Tolkien was "really pagan at heart" and just posed as Catholic out of social pressure. (The more you know about Tolkien, the more risible this claim becomes.)

Well, the Nazis were the original "We Wuz Kangs" after all, not surprising one would try to claim a Christian as one of them.

Quote from: RPGPundit on January 17, 2025, 03:53:31 AM

Quote from: Corolinth on January 16, 2025, 01:41:53 AMWe have reached the point in society where my instinctual response to "neo-nazi" or "nazi" is press x to doubt.

I know fuck-all about Varg and his game. I'm not arguing what he is or is not. Just that when I see that claim made about some guy I don't know and have never heard of, I immediately assume it's just so much noise. This seems relevant to anti-colonialist D&D being fake and dumb, but if it's off-topic, go ahead and ding me for it.

I mean, he was a famous neo-nazi and went to prison for murder related to his goal to have Scandinavian black metal fall under neo-nazi control instead of satanist control.

I'm not disputing any of that. That isn't the point.

Not being a raging left-wing moron, you should have some credibility when you say something like, "This guy is a neo-nazi." I should be able to read your post saying, "This guy said x, y, and z," and take it at face value, but as I read your post, I realized I couldn't do that. Instead, my gut response was, "Neo-nazis are a far left conspiracy theory."

I believe you guys. I don't need you to sell me on it. And yet, despite the fact that I believe you, my initial reaction was still to doubt the claim. That's fucked up, which is what prompted me to mention it.

Quote from: Corolinth on January 17, 2025, 02:30:32 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on January 17, 2025, 03:53:31 AM

Quote from: Corolinth on January 16, 2025, 01:41:53 AMWe have reached the point in society where my instinctual response to "neo-nazi" or "nazi" is press x to doubt.

I know fuck-all about Varg and his game. I'm not arguing what he is or is not. Just that when I see that claim made about some guy I don't know and have never heard of, I immediately assume it's just so much noise. This seems relevant to anti-colonialist D&D being fake and dumb, but if it's off-topic, go ahead and ding me for it.

I mean, he was a famous neo-nazi and went to prison for murder related to his goal to have Scandinavian black metal fall under neo-nazi control instead of satanist control.

I'm not disputing any of that. That isn't the point.

Not being a raging left-wing moron, you should have some credibility when you say something like, "This guy is a neo-nazi." I should be able to read your post saying, "This guy said x, y, and z," and take it at face value, but as I read your post, I realized I couldn't do that. Instead, my gut response was, "Neo-nazis are a far left conspiracy theory."

I believe you guys. I don't need you to sell me on it. And yet, despite the fact that I believe you, my initial reaction was still to doubt the claim. That's fucked up, which is what prompted me to mention it.

It's one of the worst things the Left ever did. They destroyed the credibility of the word "Nazi" in its original definition.