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"Anti-Colonialist D&D" is Fake and Dumb

Started by RPGPundit, January 08, 2025, 10:36:28 AM

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DocJones

#45
January 09, 2025, 10:44:04 PM
Quote from: Corolinth on January 09, 2025, 10:04:19 PMI'm dying to know what prompt you used for that. Did you have to get specific, or was it enough to just enter, "inclusive and body positive succubus"?

I got specific. I think it was...
"Draw a morbidly obese succubus with demon horns, fangs and bat wings."

ForgottenF

#46
January 09, 2025, 11:45:44 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 09, 2025, 06:07:47 PM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on January 09, 2025, 05:29:10 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 09, 2025, 03:34:31 PMDidn't the new blurbs about the MM just say something about dryads, medusas and hags now being genderfluid or something?

  Dryads, medusas, and hags are now both male and female. Succubae and incubi are able to flip between either sex. (This is arguably more theologically accurate, but D&D's 'demons' and 'devils' are so inaccurate in so many other ways that it doesn't help much. :) )
The dryads, medusas and hags now being male is nonsensical. Those words are female in English, insofar as English even has gendered nouns. (Don't get me started on the fact that Medusa is a proper noun and her species is gorgon.)

Why are succubi and incubi even separate things if they have no fixed gender? Should rename them collectively to malcubi.

Yeah, it's hard to imagine the Powers of Hell would create a demon that can be thwarted by being gay, so it makes sense to give them some genderbending powers. I've seen the word "hamadryad" used to talk about a male tree spirit, but, I don't know the origin of that term. Gorgons are specifically female, but they also have a specific origin story which probably doesn't apply to D&D.
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Zalman

#47
January 10, 2025, 06:47:39 AM
Quote from: ForgottenF on January 09, 2025, 11:45:44 PMYeah, it's hard to imagine the Powers of Hell would create a demon that can be thwarted by being gay

Is it? Easy for me -- being thwarted by tiny loophole details is exactly how tons of myths work. Éowyn practically leaps to mind here.
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BoxCrayonTales

#48
January 10, 2025, 07:54:50 AM
Quote from: ForgottenF on January 09, 2025, 11:45:44 PMI've seen the word "hamadryad" used to talk about a male tree spirit, but, I don't know the origin of that term.
Hamadryad means "she who lives together with her tree." She is a dryad that is bound to a single tree. It's not clear in Greek myth if they're distinct or synonymous. D&D's dryad conflates the two.

There are no male tree spirits in Greek myth.

QuoteGorgons are specifically female, but they also have a specific origin story which probably doesn't apply to D&D.
As of D&D 5e, their default origin story was changed to this odd "someone who made a pact with hell for beauty, then years later they turn into a monster for some reason."

HappyDaze

#49
January 10, 2025, 08:04:08 AM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 10, 2025, 07:54:50 AM
QuoteGorgons are specifically female, but they also have a specific origin story which probably doesn't apply to D&D.
As of D&D 5e, their default origin story was changed to this odd "someone who made a pact with hell for beauty, then years later they turn into a monster for some reason."
Hasn't the D&D gorgon been a bull-like creature that breaths out petrifying gas for a long time?

blackstone

#50
January 10, 2025, 08:43:47 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on January 10, 2025, 08:04:08 AM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 10, 2025, 07:54:50 AM
QuoteGorgons are specifically female, but they also have a specific origin story which probably doesn't apply to D&D.
As of D&D 5e, their default origin story was changed to this odd "someone who made a pact with hell for beauty, then years later they turn into a monster for some reason."
Hasn't the D&D gorgon been a bull-like creature that breaths out petrifying gas for a long time?

I think he maybe talking about the classical Greek Gorgon, not the D&D version.
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blackstone

#51
January 10, 2025, 08:46:16 AM
Quote from: DocJones on January 09, 2025, 09:37:35 PMI asked Grok to make some more "inclusive" succubus art for the new Monster Manual, since the older TSR monster manuals were "colonized" by attractive white people.



That is simply hideous. Horrifying.

Well done, sir.

Now if you'll excuse me...

(frantically looking for a bottle of bleach to wash out eyes)
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SmallMountaineer

#52
January 10, 2025, 08:57:23 AM
Quote from: blackstone on January 09, 2025, 01:35:37 PMBeef Wellington is overrated.

Get out.
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blackstone

#53
January 10, 2025, 09:15:28 AM
1. I'm a married homeowner with a career and kids. I won life. You can't insult me.

2. I've been deployed to Iraq, so your tough guy act is boring.

SmallMountaineer

#54
January 10, 2025, 09:34:49 AM
As far as gaming is concerned, I have no socio-political nor religious views.
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GeekyBugle

#55
January 10, 2025, 09:36:10 AM
Quote from: ForgottenF on January 09, 2025, 11:45:44 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 09, 2025, 06:07:47 PM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on January 09, 2025, 05:29:10 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 09, 2025, 03:34:31 PMDidn't the new blurbs about the MM just say something about dryads, medusas and hags now being genderfluid or something?

  Dryads, medusas, and hags are now both male and female. Succubae and incubi are able to flip between either sex. (This is arguably more theologically accurate, but D&D's 'demons' and 'devils' are so inaccurate in so many other ways that it doesn't help much. :) )
The dryads, medusas and hags now being male is nonsensical. Those words are female in English, insofar as English even has gendered nouns. (Don't get me started on the fact that Medusa is a proper noun and her species is gorgon.)

Why are succubi and incubi even separate things if they have no fixed gender? Should rename them collectively to malcubi.

Yeah, it's hard to imagine the Powers of Hell would create a demon that can be thwarted by being gay, so it makes sense to give them some genderbending powers. I've seen the word "hamadryad" used to talk about a male tree spirit, but, I don't know the origin of that term. Gorgons are specifically female, but they also have a specific origin story which probably doesn't apply to D&D.

Because it was for that reason that WotC decided to change it around, not for ideological reasons.
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SHARK

#56
January 10, 2025, 09:37:37 AM
Quote from: blackstone on January 10, 2025, 09:15:28 AM
Quote from: SmallMountaineer on January 10, 2025, 08:57:23 AM
Quote from: blackstone on January 09, 2025, 01:35:37 PMBeef Wellington is overrated.

Get out.



No.

Greetings!

Yeah, Blackstone! I must agree. Beef Wellington is overrated.

I actually recently had the whole little meat-pie things, with Beef Wellington. They were *ok*. Decent, I would eat them again, if they were offered to me, but honestly, they are not a food item I would ever ask for or seek out.

Yes, I'm biased. I would much rather have a nice, fresh-made Carne Asada burrito, stuffed with lots of melted Cheddar Cheese, some fresh Guacamole, salsa, chopped onions and cilantro, diced tomatoes, and just a bit of Mexican rice mixed in. *Laughing*

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BoxCrayonTales

#57
January 10, 2025, 10:01:26 AM Last Edit: January 10, 2025, 10:24:21 AM by BoxCrayonTales
Quote from: blackstone on January 10, 2025, 08:43:47 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on January 10, 2025, 08:04:08 AM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 10, 2025, 07:54:50 AM
QuoteGorgons are specifically female, but they also have a specific origin story which probably doesn't apply to D&D.
As of D&D 5e, their default origin story was changed to this odd "someone who made a pact with hell for beauty, then years later they turn into a monster for some reason."
Hasn't the D&D gorgon been a bull-like creature that breaths out petrifying gas for a long time?

I think he maybe talking about the classical Greek Gorgon, not the D&D version.
I'm talking about the Greek gorgon and D&D medusa. 5e changed them from a race to vain individuals uglified as a result of a pact with hell. It's a silly origin because vain people would never agree to become hideous monsters. Neither is there any benefit for the patron of this deal. (A lot of the new monster origins in 5e suffer from poor writing like this.)

blackstone

#58
January 10, 2025, 10:47:17 AM Last Edit: January 10, 2025, 10:54:05 AM by blackstone
Quote from: SHARK on January 10, 2025, 09:37:37 AMI would much rather have a nice, fresh-made Carne Asada burrito, stuffed with lots of melted Cheddar Cheese, some fresh Guacamole, salsa, chopped onions and cilantro, diced tomatoes, and just a bit of Mexican rice mixed in. *Laughing*

OMG YES, with a nice ice cold Dos Equis to wash it down.

(Side note: I'm making chicken enchiladas with green sauce this weekend. I'm soo looking forward to it.)
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2. I've been deployed to Iraq, so your tough guy act is boring.

blackstone

#59
January 10, 2025, 10:52:38 AM
Quote from: SmallMountaineer on January 10, 2025, 09:34:49 AM
Quote from: blackstone on January 10, 2025, 09:15:28 AM

No.

Chef Ramsay's gonna get you.

Let him. I actually like the man. The things he's done for active duty military is commendable. The episode he did down in Ft Benning was awesome. Hunting down wild boar and doing a huge pig roast for the troops? Too cool!

But the whole frozen food line? Dude, you always preached fresh food to cook. and now frozen Beef Wellington bites? I gotta tell ya, I'm disappointed.
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2. I've been deployed to Iraq, so your tough guy act is boring.
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