Quote from: wmarshal on March 06, 2021, 02:46:44 PM

Quote from: Thornhammer on March 06, 2021, 02:33:40 PM
What did he get banned for?

Basically for not being super supportive of Contessa, not anything specific that I know of.

(sarc)Tenkar focuses too much on the games, don't you know? (/sarc)

You can read up on some of the background here:
https://www.tenkarstavern.com/2019/03/youve-been-banned-pexxs-experience-with.html?m=1

I glanced at that page, and I can tell you this: I do have a lawyer, and to get him to simply read that I would have to fork 500 Euro - minimum.

Why people do think that...

"...I was banned for these events on the Sloooper Discord underscroll by Diamond Rick right while SuperHupe and THEnCoffee on Blabberchat were telling me this but not before Dabben1ng (on the Flouride4Hide server) had defamed me by lying about the conversation log between me and Zerona..."

...should make people more sympathetic to your cause will always be beyond me. Life is short.

Imagine my shock. I've never known anyone seriously in to the whole woke thing who didn't have serious skeletons in their closet. The whole genderweird subset seem particularly prone to mental illness and poor character.

I did look in to the discord a while back but it was clear that osr games were ancillary at best to whatever the fuck it is they're doing over there. That said does anyone know of any discords or the like with actual conversation on the subject?

Quote from: Jaeger on March 06, 2021, 07:03:09 AM

Quote from: Melan on March 06, 2021, 03:52:49 AM
The worst kept secret is out, and another virtue signaling wonder - AuraTwilight, owner of the soyman OSR Discord server - has been outed for "abuse, emotional manipulation, and grooming"...

And of course, another pit of the Woko Haram has been proven to shelter sex pests. These claims were not new. They were around for months. They were posted on various sites, including /tg/'s OSR thread. Yet these fine people did FUCK ALL until now, while posting glibly about the problematic elements in the OSR. ...

Quell Surprise.

Quote from: Melan on March 06, 2021, 03:52:49 AM
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Whoa! Who could have seen this coming? I mean, after THE PREVIOUS top mod (Not Chris McDowall, the original founder, but another genderweird) was outed for THE SAME FUCKING THING. It just keeps happening.

At first it was just LGB. Then LGBT. Currently LGBTQ. 

LGBTQP - The acronym of the future, here today.

I am afraid you're woefully behind the times.

The full recognised acronymn is LGBTQQIP2SAA.  Apparently.

Make of that what you will.



 

The topic as a whole is daft, but this bit is game rules so is interesting:

Quote from: Chris24601 on March 06, 2021, 08:43:43 AM
A) None of those things requires rules and I have limited page count.

From Traveller:

A NOTE ON GENDER AND RACE
Nowhere in these rules is a specific requirement established that any character (player or non-player) be of a specific gender or race. Any character is potentially of any race or of either sex.

Sexuality isn't mentioned at all in any of Books 1-3. That was 1977, by the way. It was as you say: "This doesn't require rules, play who you want, have fun."

I take it that by grooming they do not mean convincing that one guy with the cheeto fingerprints on his sleeve to take a shower?

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on March 06, 2021, 06:51:22 PM
The topic as a whole is daft, but this bit is game rules so is interesting:

Quote from: Chris24601 on March 06, 2021, 08:43:43 AM
A) None of those things requires rules and I have limited page count.

From Traveller:

A NOTE ON GENDER AND RACE
Nowhere in these rules is a specific requirement established that any character (player or non-player) be of a specific gender or race. Any character is potentially of any race or of either sex.

Sexuality isn't mentioned at all in any of Books 1-3. That was 1977, by the way. It was as you say: "This doesn't require rules, play who you want, have fun."

Still hateful and insufficiently inclusive by the standards of the woke. The phrase "either sex" is to be considered a tool of 'The Patriarchy'™️ used to enforce the gender binary. They'll require warning labels at the very least for any future pdfs or reprints at the least.

Quote from: Thornhammer on March 06, 2021, 10:07:12 AM
That's a rock I'm not turning over any further.

Wise advice more people should follow.

In all honesty these people (oh god, did I do a racism?), or rather their equivalents, were the ones RPGers in general were always trying to avoid. My experience is certainly different from the American one, but weirdos exist everywhere.

Quote from: wmarshal on March 06, 2021, 07:47:37 PMThe phrase "either sex" is to be considered a tool of 'The Patriarchy'™️ used to enforce the gender binary. They'll require warning labels at the very least for any future pdfs or reprints at the least.

I did think of that. But then - going on the old-fashioned premise of playtesting rules before criticising or praising them - if someone at the game table said, "I'll be neither/intersex", the referee would raise a quizzical eyebrow, shrug and tell them to go on to throwing dice for their terms of service. Nobody would care.

All 44 years of social justice in roleplaying has added is lengthy text in place of the referee's indifferent shrug.

The lesson is, woke-ness is about power. All the isms are just the levers they use.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 06, 2021, 11:09:21 PM
The lesson is, woke-ness is about power. All the isms are just the levers they use.

This is why "woke" people believe everything is about power (they're projecting again). Even sex apparently.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on March 06, 2021, 06:51:22 PM
From Traveller:

A NOTE ON GENDER AND RACE
Nowhere in these rules is a specific requirement established that any character (player or non-player) be of a specific gender or race. Any character is potentially of any race or of either sex.

That the characters could be of any sex or race was, BTW, written at the beginning of the original Alien script by Dan O'Bannon. It was Ridley Scott who decided that "Ripley" was female and defended his choice amid the producers' perplexity (even when he still had to meet Sigourney Weaver his first choice was Veronica Cartwright). The result speaks by itself. Scott also choose Yaphet Kotto as Parker to "add diversity" to the cast. This to show how, back in 1979, people already made the kind of creative choices that today are forced by hysterics, based only on what they did feel was better for the story. That was 1979.

(Walter Hill and David Giler, meanwhile, came up with the idea that Ian Holm's character "race" was "robot", another thing unspecified in the original script and one of the best things in the whole franchise).

And if not at the time of writing of Alien, by the time of Aliens they'd decided that Lambert was transgender - back in the dark medieval days of 1986.



The example of Ash being a robot, along with these other things the initial script left open, is a good example of how a game can be incomplete - and that's a good thing. Because we can fill the gaps with our imagination, including playing the ethnicity, gender, sexuality or whatever of our choice.

QuoteFor example, in AD&D1e the description of "fighter" makes no mention of home culture or era. Is this a saxon thane in the line against Viking invaders? The Viking invaders themselves? A lamellar-clad model for the terracotta warriors of Qin? French heavy infantry at Agincourt? A young squire daring to seek out and fight a werewolf? The girl fighting the jabberwocky? A bronze-clad warrior of Sparta? A daring Amazon of the Crimea, firing her bow from her horse at Greek invaders? An Iron Age warrior of Kush? A samurai? It doesn't say. You fill in the blanks! If it were more complete, you could not do this.

When the writer explicitly lists all these possibilities as separate choices, they stifle the player's imagination. And this really is the issue with overly-detailed and ideologically-oriented games: they stifle imagination.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on March 07, 2021, 05:57:50 AM....When the writer explicitly lists all these possibilities as separate choices, they stifle the player's imagination. And this really is the issue with overly-detailed and ideologically-oriented games: they stifle imagination.

The difference between art and propaganda is that art is a process of exploration, while propaganda sets out to make a specific statement. The artist doesn't know what he is going to do when he starts; he explores, creates, and at some point he stops. So the work of art is the process of exploration frozen in time. As such, the work has many interpretations. But the propaganda has only a single interpretation, which makes it dull and uninteresting.

The first movie or game in a "franchise" is usually the best, because it's a process of exploring unknown territory and it has unlimited potential.

The original Alien movie has many different interpretations. The monster itself is the work of artist HR Giger. It is not really an alien, it is a demon of the imagination, a twisted and perverse mockery of human sexuality. One could say that it's Satanic, not alien at all, but very much at home in medieval mythology and art.

Aliens, while a good action movie, removes any alternate interpretation and tells us that it's just a big bug with a queen and hive, like a colony of ants. All very mundane and scientific, not at all mythological.

Quote from: Cloyer Bulse on March 07, 2021, 08:35:12 AM
Aliens, while a good action movie, removes any alternate interpretation and tells us that it's just a big bug with a queen and hive, like a colony of ants. All very mundane and scientific, not at all mythological.

I think Prometheus was an attempt to restore the Alien's mythic quality. I also think Ridley Scott's got his head so far up his ass that the results were murky and confused.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 07, 2021, 12:38:19 PM
I think Prometheus was an attempt to restore the Alien's mythic quality. I also think Ridley Scott's got his head so far up his ass that the results were murky and confused.

What I think happened is that Scott got both lucky and unlucky. It is known that he was very interested to do a follow-up to Alien back in the early '80s, centered on the idea of the "Engineers" (the original Space Jockey found on the derelict). He wanted to explore the idea of sentient beings playing "gods", creating life in the process and seeing things go pear shaped when their creatures rebelled.

Then his brother died unexpectedly, something that caused him a lot of grief. He thus decided to shoot a movie to put his head on something, and the first script he liked was... Blade Runner! - which nicely covered the same topic. In this he was lucky. It is telling, however, that after BR he shelved "Alien 2" indefinitely. I guess that, consciously or unconsciously, he said what he wanted to say on the matter.

"Prometheus" was "Alien 2 Resurrected" after James Cameron invited Scott on the set of Avatar, and Ridley got angry asking himself "why he was doing Robin Hood when what he wanted to do was sci-fi!" (Cameron said that he wondered the same...) By then, however, the good ideas were both stale, unfocused and already explored better in earlier movies. Prometheus was conceived as "The Proper Sequel to Alien", "The Proper Prequel to Alien", "A new movie with some of the some ideas but nothing to do with Alien" and "A new sci-fi movie by Scott, full stop" - all at the same time. Add that superhack, Damon Lindelof, helming the script (the guy who killed Charlize Theron by making her unable to turn while running  ) and the result was "Ridley Scott and Alien present... Something. Actually, don't bother."