QuoteWhat has D&D got to do with reality?

Why do you want games to treat geeky fantasy worlds as if they were real, but at the same time say that reality itself shouldn't have anything to do with it? Do you get something important about modelling a fantastic land where adrenaline doesn't exist?

Fuck, you really don´t get it.

I capitulate again!

Quote from: SettembriniWarthur,
your haphazard patchwork collection of contradictory lines of argumentation and interpretation make communication impossible.

I´ll try though: Since when did D&D model hormones? Why only adrenaline?
Why after being down to 1/2 HP? Why once per day?
Why do I heal damage instead of gaining a short term rage, like a Barbarian for example?

What has D&D got to do with reality?
Why is this part of "reality" suddenly important, but not for the last 30 years?
Why do you defend a concept that is "totally reasonable" but nobody thought of it before?
Will you introduce a secodn wind in all your RPGs?
It´s so totally based on reality after all.

I can again only shake my head.

I'll try one more time.

Replace every instance of 'Second Wind' in your arguments with 'Great Cleave.' Why not use it in every game you own? Why not give it to every monster you can think of? Can you now see how silly your point seems?

Maybe you'll eventually get it. If you don't, then I'm no longer willing to even attempt to convince you otherwise. You've been given literary examples, cinematic examples and system-based examples, any or all of which can be used to rationalise the mechanic. Instead of listening you're trying to compare the examples against one another in a spurious attempt to deny the validity of the mechanic.

You don't like it. We get that. Just don't try to extend every possible interpretation of an as-yet hazily defined rule into ridiculous and irrelevant extremes. It does nothing but reflect poorly on you.

Oh, and if you keep insisting that this argument has nothing to do with reality then you shouldn't really have criticised it on the basis of it breaking your suspension of disbelief.

Froth and venom. That's all I'm seeing here.

Quote from: SettembriniFuck, you really don´t get it.

I guess not, SetteMoonman.

Settembrini, this has fuck all to do with Second Wind. You're pissed at someone and taking it out on us. Stop it. Sober up, grow up, and start acting like a human being. You're just being a brat.

Here's what you're going to do. You're going to start jogging. You're going to jog every day, jog until you're certain you can't go on. When it gets to that point, you're going to push it. You're going to push yourself. Every day you'll push yourself until the day comes when your joints ache, your muscles burn, and your heart labors like a donkey engine under an excessive load. And you will push on past that. That, boy, is what we mean by second wind.

Second wind is when you push on when you're about to drop. Second wind is when you hold up that wall for just a few minutes more. Second wind is when you walk under the blazing sun, knowing that to stop means you die. That is second wind.

I know second wind, I've had occasion to call upon my second wind, and I'm getting sick of your obstinancy and insults. Get a life.

:rolleyes:

@great cleaving drew:

Great cleave is a feat. If second wind was optional, only a class ability or a feat, I wouldn´t have any gripe with it.

Quote from: Thanatos02Look, I appreciate the heads up, for all of us who arn't following the spoilers, but the endless fucking complaining about the wussification of D&D is getting old.

I don't know what you want out of it, and frankly, I don't really care. If you're so sure you're going to hate the new edition, why not just fuck off and play something else?

You know what: fuck off yourself.

I had to put up with all this incessant whining over aspects of 3e that I felt worked just fine.

Now that the authors seem to be determined to shake things up more than just fix what's actually broke, I'm all for holding the designers' feet to the fire in the (probably vain) hopes something worthwhile comes out of it.

So you don't like these threads? Don't read 'em.

Quote from: Settembrini@great cleaving drew:

Great cleave is a feat. If second wind was optional, only a class ability or a feat, I wouldn´t have any gripe with it.

Maybe that's all "second wind" will be. If that's the case, that would be fine. If it was open to everyone, I don't think I'd like it. Not because it's "realistic" or "unrealistic", but because I just see it as a form of regeneration. I don't why that bugs me, but it does. We'll soon see how it goes. Only eight months to go! :haw:

Quote from: Settembrini:rolleyes:

Pundit, do you have contact information for his parents?

Quote from: Caesar SlaadYou know what: fuck off yourself.

I had to put up with all this incessant whining over aspects of 3e that I felt worked just fine.

Now that the authors seem to be determined to shake things up more than just fix what's actually broke, I'm all for holding the designers' feet to the fire in the (probably vain) hopes something worthwhile comes out of it.

So you don't like these threads? Don't read 'em.

He can pretty much skip any thread with more than one reply per day, then.  And am I correct in understanding you support pre-emptive complaining about 4e out of spite?

I'm still unclear as to whether bad guys (NPCs and monsters the PCs will be fighting) will get 'second wind'. Apologies if this has been answered here, but I can't see it. Anyone know?

Quote from: BrantaiHe can pretty much skip any thread with more than one reply per day, then.  And am I correct in understanding you support pre-emptive complaining about 4e out of spite?

Oooh... unflattering characterization, middle exclusion, and strawman beating. This looks like a fun game.

"I'm to understand you only want to see threads that fawn all over 4e and proclaim its greatness?"

:rolleyes:

Quote from: Caesar SlaadOooh... unflattering characterization, middle exclusion, and strawman beating. This looks like a fun game.

"I'm to understand you only want to see threads that fawn all over 4e and proclaim its greatness?"

:rolleyes:

Look, if "I had to put up with it, so now you have to put up with it" isn't spite, I'm not really sure what is.