Quote from: ColonelHardissonSo he thinks about being a barbarian and rages? LAME.

You don´t need to play one.
I think Warlocks are thematically lame, as well as mechanically boring. I don´t play those.

Second wind will be EVERYWHERE. Difference.

Cure Light Wounds is Cure Light Wounds.

A Barbarian is a Barbarian.

Second Wind is Second wind.

See how easy that was? Repetition masquerading as rhetoric has never been so much fun!

Edit: I'm a few posts too slow, I think I see where you're coming from now, Sett.

Sett, is it just the dramatic trappings or is it something more mechanical about the second wind that concerns you?  If it were an at-will ability I think I'm on-board with you; but if second wind is limited, like another resource to manage such as Cleric spells, or number of Cure Light Wounds potions, or resource points as in Iron Heroes, would that be more to your liking?

If I read your past postings correctly, you're concerned with the loss of tactical gaming that resource-driven play provides.  Something that 4e wants to modify at best.  With that in mind, I'm surprised that something that potentially amounts to little more than relabeling "I take a 5-foot step, draw a potion of CLW and drink," to "I take a 5-foot step and catch my breath," so troublesome.

Quote from: SettembriniHow about Pokemounts?
Do you defend those?

The term "pokemount" says more about those who use it than about the actual game mechanic. I've read tons of stories about Arthurian knights, and the horses are almost always never mentioned until needed, and then they're right there. This is also something that we see in "The Adventures of Baron Munchausen," where the Baron calls for Bucephalus inside the belly of a whale and Bucephalus gallops up. Finally, it's something seen in countless Westerns, especially old movie serials - the Lone Ranger being the best example. All these examples predate Pokemon by half a century, at the least.

Quote from: SettembriniSecond wind will be EVERYWHERE. Difference.

Cite the source for this information. We don't know anything about it. If it's a feat or a class ability, it won't be "everywhere." Nothing has been said about it being universally available.

Quote from: Petebut if second wind is limited, like another resource to manage such as Cleric spells, or number of Cure Light Wounds potions, or resource points as in Iron Heroes

Which, given how the term is used in the article, seems to be the case. Even if it's a triggered event usable by anyone, the implication is that it's a limited resource to draw upon.

Colonel:

The worst thing you can do to support any rule, is bringing up (fantasy) novels. All those genre trappings and artificialities: I loathe them. I game to get away from them. If a horse is only there when it is convenient, and away when it´s not, this is an abomination not to be lauded but to be avoided.

Pete: From a tactical perspective it´s lame too. As you said, there´s already potions etc. No need to introduce something else. But what they are doing in fact, is you must spend a swift action to heal some more. This is not ressource management, this is just boosting the players, making them more powerful. It´s a no brainer to use, because it doesn´t cost money or anything else. It´s free HPs. You are dumb if you aren´t using it. Totally uninteresting, I´d say, at least if it´s like SWSE.
EDIT: once per day, IIRC

Quote from: SettembriniColonel:

The worst thing you can do to support any rule, is bringing up (fantasy) novels. All those genre trappings and artificialities: I loathe them. I game to get away from them. If a horse is only there when it is convenient, and away when it´s not, this is an abomination not to be lauded but to be avoided.

Sir Thomas Malory and Chretien deTroyes don't seem like run-of-the-mill fantasy authors to me. If you're going to dismiss stuff like that as "(fantasy) novels," then just about anything from the tales of Gilgamesh to the Greek gods and heroes to Ivanhoe to, hell, even Shakespeare in a few cases are right out. Arthurian tales and the legends of Charlemagne are the very source of a class like the paladin, and thus the sources for the paladin's abilities. Dismissing them dismisses the paladin as a class.

I don´t CARE if it´s high or low literature. I´m into GAMING, not READING, when I´m GAMING.

Fuck all your literary artificialities with a stick!

EDIT: Huh? Paladins are the huscarles of Charlemagne/ Karl der Große. The don´t go away when I´m not trying to imitate literary devices.

Quote from: SettembriniI don´t CARE if it´s high or low literature. I´m into GAMING, not READING, when I´m GAMING.

Fuck all your literary artificialities with a stick!

You are really on shaky ground with such a statement. The entirety of D&D is based on literature and movies, with a small dash of medieval history. Every class except for maybe the fighter - and that is arguable - and the NPC classes (except the adept) springs from "literary artificialities."

BUT NOT THE GAMEPLAY!

Quote from: SettembriniI don´t CARE if it´s high or low literature. I´m into GAMING, not READING, when I´m GAMING.

Fuck all your literary artificialities with a stick!

EDIT: Huh? Paladins are the huscarles of Charlemagne/ Karl der Große. The don´t go away when I´m not trying to imitate literary devices.

Really? Those huscarles could heal damage with a touch? They could cure diseases? They could pray for small miracles that manifested in the real world? I doubt it.

CH, he's not interested in being convinced, just finding things he can say "fuck that" about. Unless you dig arguing with walls, why continue?

Quote from: SettembriniBUT NOT THE GAMEPLAY!

What does that even mean?

Quote from: James McMurrayCH, he's not interested in being convinced, just finding things he can say "fuck that" about. Unless you dig arguing with walls, why continue?

Yeah, I see what you mean.