Another 4e dealbreaker: second wind

Sigmund · September 04, 2007, 10:59:20 PM

Just a couple things. If it's like SWSE then it's only usable once per day, which I doubt will make the cleric's healing redundant. Also, NPCs and monsters don't automatically get it in SWSE, but they can use a feat to get it. In addition, it was my understanding that HP progression was going to be slower in 4e, so perhaps this ability is meant to help characters survive long enough to be healed. Also, it seems to me it wouldn't be that hard to houserule out. Personally, I like it.

Sacrificial Lamb · September 05, 2007, 05:13:43 AM

Quote from: GunslingerI get what Sett means, I just don't understand the aversion from the 3.5 to 4th barrier. Through every edition of D&D mechanics have been added for flavor or color: specializations, dual-class, multi-class, skills, barbarians, weapon penalties vs. type of armor, feats, kits, prestige classes, 20 different polearms or swords, gnomes, critical hits, fumbles, martial arts (keeyah), etc... I rediscovered Basic D&D when 3.0 was coming out and what I eventually realized was that I didn't need all of those mechanics to deliver that level of flavor to a game. A lot of the guys I played with did though and it was disheartening for them to go backwards.

It could be I've become a grognard.

It can happen to the best of us.

I don't feel like a grognard, but I like the older editions too.

Cab · September 05, 2007, 08:11:07 AM

I'm not sure why this label 'grognard' is used by some as a badge of honour and by others as an insult. We all like particular games for various reasons, and its very hard to argue the case that any edition or version of any game is in all ways 'better' than any other*. That we can argue a case for certain aspects of games making for a better overall gaming experience is all part of the charm of RPGs.

*Except for BECMI D&D, which is clearly better than any other version. Hands down. Thats the one exception to that rule. Obviously.

James McMurray · September 05, 2007, 10:29:01 AM

Quote from: CabI'm not sure why this label 'grognard' is used by some as a badge of honour and by others as an insult.

For the same reason that nerd, geek, and Guy Named James have been converted to badges of honor. If someone "doesn't belong" the tendency is to either bitch about it, or turn their own style into another group so they do belong somewhere. The natural reaction at that point, is to respond to the prior alienation with elitism of your own.

James J Skach · September 05, 2007, 11:00:03 AM

Quote from: James McMurrayFor the same reason that nerd, geek, and Guy Named James have been converted to badges of honor. If someone "doesn't belong" the tendency is to either bitch about it, or turn their own style into another group so they do belong somewhere. The natural reaction at that point, is to respond to the prior alienation with elitism of your own.

Wait...we have a group? And there are badges? Son of a bitch...

James McMurray · September 05, 2007, 12:26:30 PM

Sorry, you're just not James-y enough. However, we're trying to get badges, and are having a funds drive. Perhaps if you were to contribute to letting us display out uberness with a little fundage, we'd reconsider your application. PM me for paypal info.

James J Skach · September 05, 2007, 02:59:19 PM

Quote from: James McMurraySorry, you're just not James-y enough. However, we're trying to get badges, and are having a funds drive. Perhaps if you were to contribute to letting us display out uberness with a little fundage, we'd reconsider your application. PM me for paypal info.

Can we make the badges mean "Go James!" in the imperative? Otherwise, I think I already have the necessary accessories to be part of the Guy Named James club.

Oh, and I have a new theory about Jamesness - JJS. Since it stands for Just James Skach, I've excluded all you regular James'. Everyone will want to be in my club because it's way more exclusive....

beejazz · September 05, 2007, 03:12:02 PM

And you're absolutely sure they're including second wind in DnD? In SWS, it reads more as if it was a stopgap replacement for its DnD counterpart. Healing spells.

James J Skach · September 05, 2007, 03:31:23 PM

Quote from: beejazzAnd you're absolutely sure they're including second wind in DnD? In SWS, it reads more as if it was a stopgap replacement for its DnD counterpart. Healing spells.

Now that would make sense to me...

Except that I believe it was in a play example - whcih may or may not mean anythign at this point.

James McMurray · September 05, 2007, 04:14:52 PM

Quote from: James J SkachCan we make the badges mean "Go James!" in the imperative? Otherwise, I think I already have the necessary accessories to be part of the Guy Named James club.

I like it! Maybe we use a gold hexagon as the symbol?

QuoteOh, and I have a new theory about Jamesness - JJS. Since it stands for Just James Skach, I've excluded all you regular James'. Everyone will want to be in my club because it's way more exclusive....

Now you've truly understood my teachings, Grasshopper. Go forth and James in honor.

Christmas Ape · September 05, 2007, 04:23:42 PM

You wanna know what's funny?

That Sett's totally fucking nuts.

Also, that the name on all my ID is James.

That's all. I'm pretty much a just counting down to 4th Edition these days, so there's not a lot of game chatter here I want in on. And most of the rest of the conversation is a big bucket of melodrama. So, you guys have a nice fight.

James McMurray · September 05, 2007, 04:27:40 PM

Quote from: Christmas ApeAlso, that the name on all my ID is James.

I knew there was a reason I liked you from the start.

beejazz · September 06, 2007, 02:28:20 PM

Quote from: SettembriniI give up. Your categories are all in shambles, your aesthetics twisted.

Again, ask yourself why not all characters should be flying from level one.
Or have machine guns. Surely machine guns are literary devices. Hah! double layered pun in there!

But... DnD could most certainly benefit from the inclusions of machine guns!

Sacrificial Lamb · September 06, 2007, 03:18:22 PM

Quote from: beejazzBut... DnD could most certainly benefit from the inclusions of machine guns!

Monkeys with machine guns! :haw:

KenHR · September 06, 2007, 03:22:58 PM

D&D machine-gun = high level M-U w/magic-missile.

At least, in 1e...I think they capped it later on.