Quote from: BrantaiLook, if "I had to put up with it, so now you have to put up with it" isn't spite, I'm not really sure what is.

So, did you bother reading more than one sentence of the post you quoted?

Yeah, I was flipping Thanatos off. Not off kilter with the tone of the post I was replying to, I think.

But in the third paragraph I drive home why I think it's important that we not just fawn over 4e: because some criticisms of 4e are valid. That's not "just spite".

Quote from: Caesar SlaadSo, did you bother reading more than one sentence of the post you quoted?

Yeah, I was flipping Thanatos off. Not off kilter with the tone of the post I was replying to, I think.

But in the third paragraph I drive home why I think it's important that we not just fawn over 4e: because some criticisms of 4e are valid. That's not "just spite".

Why bother including the sentence at all?  It just makes your third paragraph sound disingenuous.

edit: And anyway, there's a difference between refraining from fawning over every 4e announcement and just shitting ourselves in righteous fury every time a change is announced.  I'm aware I excluded a middle there, because (IMO, etc. etc.) Sett alone swings the discussion on therpgsite pretty far to one side.

Quote from: BrantaiI'm aware I excluded a middle there, because (IMO, etc. etc.) Sett alone swings the discussion on therpgsite pretty far to one side.

Oh, he certainly can and has. I've been known to throw out a "what the fuck ever, Sett" comment from time to time.

But at least, as extreme as his views may be, is discussing the game, not just crapping in the thread because he doesn't want to talk about it. AFAIAC, if you disagree with Sett's take, there's still room left in the thread to refute and discuss or even (gasp) entertain his take.

See, I´m engaged in RPG discussion. The most classical one: pre-emptive edition considerations.

How inane are those who want to curtail the bread and butter of a, no, THE RPG Site.
I can only wonder. Maybe you want a place with a d20 ghetto? Or you might want a place to discuss nancy pelosis pubic hairdo?

This is THERPGSite!
For fucking fucks sake, what better thing to dicuss than 4e, and even more what better pastime than to moan and cassandra-ize about perceived shifts in playstyle?

WHAT ARE YOU GUYS WANTING ON THIS FUCKING

RPG-site?

Quote from: Caesar SlaadOh, he certainly can and has. I've been known to throw out a "what the fuck ever, Sett" comment from time to time.

But at least, as extreme as his views may be, is discussing the game, not just crapping in the thread because he doesn't want to talk about it. AFAIAC, if you disagree with Sett's take, there's still room left in the thread to refute and discuss or even (gasp) entertain his take.

He may be posting, but I disagree that he's actually discussing the game.  He's whinging about the game, but I haven't often seen him contributing to actual discussion about the game.

What logic?!
It´s better to discuss ME than to discuss 4e?!
Brantai, GET YOURSELF AN INTERNET DRIVERS LICENSE!

Quote from: SettembriniWhat logic?!
It´s better to discuss ME than to discuss 4e?!
Brantai, GET YOURSELF AN INTERNET DRIVERS LICENSE!

no u

Please discuss 4e or leave the thread, man-without-a-life-so-he-must-discuss-the-pastime-of-others.

Quote from: SettembriniPlease discuss 4e or leave the thread, man-without-a-life-so-he-must-discuss-the-pastime-of-others.

OH LAWD IT'S DA THREAD POLICE

I don't mean to interrupt this deep conversation, but, really, it all depends on whether second wind is a feat (fine, whatevs) or some kind of brownie point (grrrr). And right now we don't really know which of the two it is, no?

Quote from: Pierce InverarityI don't mean to interrupt this deep conversation, but, really, it all depends on whether second wind is a feat (fine, whatevs) or some kind of brownie point (grrrr).

It's sounding like an action. Though if it's an action based on an expendable resource, it would be a bit akin to a brownie point.

Quote from: Caesar SlaadIt's sounding like an action. Though if it's an action based on an expendable resource, it would be a bit akin to a brownie point.

It could also be one of those "once per encounter/once per day" abilities we keep hearing about. Fighters may have Second Wind, clerics Blessed Resilience, wizards Arcane Inspiration etc.

The details are undefined at the mo', which makes Sett's patented brand of hatred all the more baffling.

QuoteI don't mean to interrupt this deep conversation, but, really, it all depends on whether second wind is a feat (fine, whatevs) or some kind of brownie point (grrrr). And right now we don't really know which of the two it is, no?

Basically, that´s the situation.
SWSE has it for everyone, except mooks (double grrr).
Which, together with other playtest reports (fight vs. dragon) is not a good sign.

Quote from: SettembriniBasically, that´s the situation.
SWSE has it for everyone, except mooks (double grrr).
Which, together with other playtest reports (fight vs. dragon) is not a good sign.

You know what? I don't like mook rules either. And for that matter, I'm not very fond of D&D NPC classes. I'm cool with some classes being more combat-focused than others, but "mook rules" bug me.

Quote from: Caesar SlaadYou know what: fuck off yourself.

I had to put up with all this incessant whining over aspects of 3e that I felt worked just fine.

Now that the authors seem to be determined to shake things up more than just fix what's actually broke, I'm all for holding the designers' feet to the fire in the (probably vain) hopes something worthwhile comes out of it.

So you don't like these threads? Don't read 'em.

O RLY? Where do you think I'm coming from, here? Did you think I wasn't there for people bitching incessantly about 3rd Edition? Didn't that get old real fucking fast?

You thought it worked just fine. You called it incessant whining. Ok. I was there. It did get old, fast.

And now it's happening again. Our favorite moon-Prussian is whining about an edition of a role-playing game that isn't even out yet. He is whining about clips of sneak previews about a game that is 8 months from being released.

It's already old.

Why do I read these threads? Because I didn't know what Second Wind even was, and I wanted to know. That's information that interested me a little bit. But what irritates me is the whining. And now, you.

Fuck you, too, man. What? Are you going to kick me out of the thread? Honestly, my statement of irritation is much smaller then the constant pissing that fills this forum, so if you're going to get on my case, you'd be better served to light a fire under some other asses first. Until you do, get the fuck off mine, ok?