"Hey @CDPROJEKTRED, I'm always available for consulting cause it sure sounds like you might need it before the whole of the internet drags you for what sounds like some potentially sexist representations... which we all know you've struggled with in the past"
https://twitter.com/anitasarkeesian/status/1140137414381322240
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1092465"Hey @CDPROJEKTRED, I'm always available for consulting cause it sure sounds like you might need it before the whole of the internet drags you for what sounds like some potentially sexist representations... which we all know you've struggled with in the past"
https://twitter.com/anitasarkeesian/status/1140137414381322240
I read her twitter feed as "I'm broke and because I'm Woke nobody will hire me! Please throw some money my way!"
"Nice-looking game you've got there ... would be a shame if something happened to it."
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1092467"Nice-looking game you've got there ... would be a shame if something happened to it."
The #SocJusCult con explained
1.- Create #Fauxtrage against company X for being #IstPhobes
2.- Contact company X offering "sensitivity readers", "consultation" to avoid offending the #PhantomAudience
3.- Profit
4.- Rinse and repeat
Best response from that Twatter thread:
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Best response from that Twatter thread:
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Quote from: kythri;1092471Best response from that Twatter thread:
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Good take, but Her whole career is about not shutting up about video games.
" Feminist Media Critic " that should tell you all you need to know right there.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1092467"Nice-looking game you've got there ... would be a shame if something happened to it."
Oh, that's exactly what she is doing. Extortion.
Who do these idiots think they are? To try and tell a creator what to do with the art they create.
Cyberpunk is Mike Pondsmith's vision. And CDPR are adapting that vision to the video game medium. Nothing more, nothing less.
How dare these SJW idiots try to push their desired version of reality upon someone else's creation? They weren't invited to contribute at all. They weren't given Mike Pondsmith's permission at all.
Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1092480Who do these idiots think they are? To try and tell a creator what to do with the art they create.
Cyberpunk is Mike Pondsmith's vision. And CDPR are adapting that vision to the video game medium. Nothing more, nothing less.
How dare these SJW idiots try to push their desired version of reality upon someone else's creation? They weren't invited to contribute at all. They weren't given Mike Pondsmith's permission at all.
Mike Pondsmith is busy telling the SJWs to back the fuck off from the game. The man is a godsend as far as I am concern.
Anita Sarkeesian is a scumbag and she is trying to commit extortion.
Your average Mafioso has more morality and tact than she does.
Also, I doubt the guys behind Cyberpunk 2077 will bow to her given that Mike Pondsmith is on their side and they know that the SJW's already have it out for them since The Witcher 3.
Plus any goodwill Anita has with the MSM and the gaming press is quickly fading fast.
She didn't get her endgame goal at those UN hearings and now the video game industry is ignoring her since she was a consultant to both Mass Effect Andromeda AND Anthem, two of the largest video game failures in recent years so she's no longer seen as infallible like she once was.
Heck, if she was a consultant in Fallout 76, she'd be completely sunk once and for all.
Heck, I think her attempts at weaseling into tabletop gaming and getting a guest spot at GenCon is her trying to find new marks in the wake of Mass Effect Andromeda bombing hard since she knew the video game outrage well is starting to dry up for her.
She's trying to capitalize on the SJW outrage brigade against Cyberpunk 2077 as some sort of Hail Mary pass at getting back into the video game gravy train and bleeding a few more companies dry with the leftist media's explicit approval.
This is basically what Jesse Jackson did (and I guess still does) for decades. Threatens companies into hiring him as a consultant or he'll push for a boycott
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1092482Anita Sarkeesian is a scumbag and she is trying to commit extortion.
Your average Mafioso has more morality and tact than she does.
Also, I doubt the guys behind Cyberpunk 2077 will bow to her given that Mike Pondsmith is on their side and they know that the SJW's already have it out for them since The Witcher 3.
Plus any goodwill Anita has with the MSM and the gaming press is quickly fading fast.
She didn't get her endgame goal at those UN hearings and now the video game industry is ignoring her since she was a consultant to both Mass Effect Andromeda AND Anthem, two of the largest video game failures in recent years so she's no longer seen as infallible like she once was.
Heck, if she was a consultant in Fallout 76, she'd be completely sunk once and for all.
Heck, I think her attempts at weaseling into tabletop gaming and getting a guest spot at GenCon is her trying to find new marks in the wake of Mass Effect Andromeda bombing hard since she knew the video game outrage well is starting to dry up for her.
She's trying to capitalize on the SJW outrage brigade against Cyberpunk 2077 as some sort of Hail Mary pass at getting back into the video game gravy train and bleeding a few more companies dry with the leftist media's explicit approval.
Attempts? I might be operating on wrong or outdated info but she and the other landwhale Zoe were hired by WotC for what we don't know. And then Known SocJus zealot Fail Somemore was seen getting a "tour" of their offices.
For the sake of my fellow gamers that love D&D I hope to be wrong but I think WotC is already circling the drain and their influence will be seen more and more in the next year or two.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1092485Attempts? I might be operating on wrong or outdated info but she and the other landwhale Zoe were hired by WotC for what we don't know. And then Known SocJus zealot Fail Somemore was seen getting a "tour" of their offices.
For the sake of my fellow gamers that love D&D I hope to be wrong but I think WotC is already circling the drain and their influence will be seen more and more in the next year or two.
Yeah, WotC is going to go down fast if this is any indication.
https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2019/06/dungeons-and-dragons-designer-convinced-staff-to-use-sjw-tumblr-blog-as-resource/86571/
The general gist of the article is that D&D game designer Kate Welch convinced all of the other game designers at Wizards of the Coast to read through an SJW Tumblr blog as a useful resource for writing "ethnically diverse" characters.
Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1092480Who do these idiots think they are? To try and tell a creator what to do with the art they create.
Cyberpunk is Mike Pondsmith's vision. And CDPR are adapting that vision to the video game medium. Nothing more, nothing less.
How dare these SJW idiots try to push their desired version of reality upon someone else's creation? They weren't invited to contribute at all. They weren't given Mike Pondsmith's permission at all.
Part of that blog said (emphasis mine):
Quote"Asking for resources is good, but it's very important to let go of the concept of sole authorship with the stories you want to write; if you're too focused on your own exploration of a culture, your own compiling of probably cherry-picked legends, your own interpretations based on our lore (likely filtered through a culturally-Christian lens), etc...
"If you focus too much on you, you've created a situation where our religious concepts are being shared around without our nations attached to them, which is the definition of cultural appropriation. You're put your own ego in front of letting us have authorship."
Now, it's specifically talking about writing other cultures but I can easily see it being applied on a wider scale.
Quote from: rgalex;1092492Yeah, WotC is going to go down fast if this is any indication.
https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2019/06/dungeons-and-dragons-designer-convinced-staff-to-use-sjw-tumblr-blog-as-resource/86571/
The general gist of the article is that D&D game designer Kate Welch convinced all of the other game designers at Wizards of the Coast to read through an SJW Tumblr blog as a useful resource for writing "ethnically diverse" characters.
Part of that blog said (emphasis mine):
Now, it's specifically talking about writing other cultures but I can easily see it being applied on a wider scale.
Welp, I hadn't seen that article, damn I hate always being right. Wait till Pundit sees that.
Next, they'll come after those that home brew their settings instead of following what the SJW scribes have established.
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1092498Next, they'll come after those that home brew their settings instead of following what the SJW scribes have established.
Only if they want to play at the wokeventions. Good luck trying to enforce their craziness on my table.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1092499Good luck trying to enforce their craziness on my table.
Yes, by all means draw your red line somewhere where these people will never see it. Then make sure you keep stoking the outrage every chance you get. Perhaps you'd consider coloring your hair in an anti-danger hair but still visibly warning hue too?
Quote from: HappyDaze;1092500Yes, by all means draw your red line somewhere where these people will never see it. Then make sure you keep stoking the outrage every chance you get. Perhaps you'd consider coloring your hair in an anti-danger hair but still visibly warning hue too?
I would have thought that me being a huwhite hetero male would be all the warning you would need to stay away from me lets you get triggered by my oppressive existence.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1092501I would have thought that me being a huwhite hetero male would be all the warning you would need to stay away from me lets you get triggered by my oppressive existence.
You obviously have no idea what might "trigger" me. I don't necessarily disagree with you on many of the points you've brought up, but I think you're foolish for trying to manufacture unneeded outrage. By turning everything up to 11+ you don't come across as being credible. There is no need call up a crusade for the foolish crap that you're sensationalizing.
QuoteIf you focus too much on you, you've created a situation where our religious concepts are being shared around without our nations attached to them, which is the definition of cultural appropriation. You're put your own ego in front of letting us have authorship."
Call me when they scrap Asmodeus and apologize for the appropriation of Christian concepts and imagery.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1092503Call me when they scrap Asmodeus and apologize for the appropriation of Christian concepts and imagery.
Ha! Christians are always portrayed as evil inbred cultists in their games. Do SJWs have sensitivity training focus groups for that?
Quote from: HappyDaze;1092502You obviously have no idea what might "trigger" me. I don't necessarily disagree with you on many of the points you've brought up, but I think you're foolish for trying to manufacture unneeded outrage. By turning everything up to 11+ you don't come across as being credible. There is no need call up a crusade for the foolish crap that you're sensationalizing.
I'm not calling for a crusade, hyperbole much?
But if you think I'm the one causing trouble you've got another think comming.
They are co-opting your hobbies, I'm only pointing it out.
Quote from: SavageSchemer;1092466I read her twitter feed as "I'm broke and because I'm Woke nobody will hire me!
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Her ten minutes are up.
Anita's motives and character are so transparent by now that anyone still claiming to buy their bullshit should be considered either irreparably stupid or outright lying.
Quote from: rgalex;1092492it's specifically talking about writing other cultures but I can easily see it being applied on a wider scale.
It will, because they won't be satisfied until all individual interpretation is abolished.
Anita doesn't like Cyberpunk 2077 because they aren't paying her to.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1092502You obviously have no idea what might "trigger" me. I don't necessarily disagree with you on many of the points you've brought up, but I think you're foolish for trying to manufacture unneeded outrage. By turning everything up to 11+ you don't come across as being credible. There is no need call up a crusade for the foolish crap that you're sensationalizing.
It's not paranoia if they're actually out to get you.
Quote from: pdboddy;1092549It's not paranoia if they're actually out to get you.
It is if they have no reasonable way of actually causing you any harm. All of this alarmist bullshit means very little to me because there is so much focus on what might happen (in a crazy way) compared to what is happening. Distorted facts and sensationalism don't help.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1092550It is if they have no reasonable way of actually causing you any harm. All of this alarmist bullshit means very little to me because there is so much focus on what might happen (in a crazy way) compared to what is happening. Distorted facts and sensationalism don't help.
I admit that the sensationalism is a bit much, but that dude thinks most people are asleep to the things that he wants to shine a light on.
And what he's railing against does do harm.
Quote from: Snowman0147;1092481Mike Pondsmith is busy telling the SJWs to back the fuck off from the game. The man is a godsend as far as I am concern.
He's busy telling the anti-SJWs the exact same thing. (https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/c093y2/cyberpunk_2077_official_twitter_trolling_the/er3dm4j/)
Quote from: random anti-sjwIt was hilarious when today CDPR posted on twitter man from Haiti who was so happy about Haitians beeing represented in the game. And in the comments there was some clueless SJW still going on about game beeing racist and transphobic. " let me feel offended for you " - type of person
This is almost sad.
Quote from: Mike PondsmithWant to say this just once. I am really tired of well meaning people on internet chat boards paternalistically telling me what I, as a black person, should be offended by. You want to be my ally? Go gird up your loins and at this year's Thanksgiving dinner, have the nerve to tell your racist Uncle Bob to STFU for a change.
Whether they're SJWs or Anti-SJWs, in the end they're still well-off white people who think they get to decide what members of disenfranchised minorities should or shouldn't be offended by. It's arrogant and prejudiced.
Human beings are complicated. What offends one person won't offend another. That's why consultants exist.
Mike is a black creator overseeing the implementation of black and other minority cultures in a big budget video game that viciously criticizes capitalism and rightist politics. The product exemplifies leftist values, so it is the height of hypocrisy for leftists to attack it.
They are pushing the idea that design by committee is the one true way of game design. And yeah. That's not going to end well at all.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1092485For the sake of my fellow gamers that love D&D I hope to be wrong but I think WotC is already circling the drain and their influence will be seen more and more in the next year or two.
Fuck WotC! We have the OSR. It's got a dozen flavors of D&D for everyone.
Individual Creators > Design by Committee
Quote from: Spinachcat;1092652Fuck WotC! We have the OSR. It's got a dozen flavors of D&D for everyone.
Individual Creators > Design by Committee
Couldn't agree more with you my friend.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092562He's busy telling the anti-SJWs the exact same thing. (https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/c093y2/cyberpunk_2077_official_twitter_trolling_the/er3dm4j/)
Whether they're SJWs or Anti-SJWs, in the end they're still well-off white people who think they get to decide what members of disenfranchised minorities should or shouldn't be offended by. It's arrogant and prejudiced.
Human beings are complicated. What offends one person won't offend another. That's why consultants exist.
Mike is a black creator overseeing the implementation of black and other minority cultures in a big budget video game that viciously criticizes capitalism and rightist politics. The product exemplifies leftist values, so it is the height of hypocrisy for leftists to attack it.
Sad you still think anti-sjws are are all racists. If your right of Lenin your are a anti-sjw.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1092652Fuck WotC! We have the OSR. It's got a dozen flavors of D&D for everyone.
Although I'm still trying to settle on one for my 'Paladins & Princesses/80s Fantasy/8-Bit JRPG' campaigning ... :)
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092562He's busy telling the anti-SJWs the exact same thing. (https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/c093y2/cyberpunk_2077_official_twitter_trolling_the/er3dm4j/)
Where?
therealmaxmike R. Talsorian Games228 points · 4 days ago
Want to say this just once. I am really tired of well meaning people on internet chat boards paternalistically telling me what I, as a black person, should be offended by. You want to be my ally? Go gird up your loins and at this year's Thanksgiving dinner, have the nerve to tell your racist Uncle Bob to STFU for a change.Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092562Human beings are complicated. What offends one person won't offend another.
That is true.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092562That's why consultants exist.
No. "Consultants" like Skankeesian exist to drain resources, stifle creativity and push victimhood and identity politic agendas. In the words of the immortal philosophers of Steel Panther, "fuck those fucking fuck heads!"
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092562Mike is a black creator overseeing the implementation of black and other minority cultures in a big budget video game that viciously criticizes capitalism and rightist politics. The product exemplifies leftist values, so it is the height of hypocrisy for leftists to attack it.
Cyberpunk isn't anti-capitalist. It's anti-megacorporation. There isn't any real capitalism in cyberpunk because the corporations rule everything and governments are subservient to them. The genre is not "rightist politics vs leftist values" and its heroes are mostly fucked up headcases. It's about a nihilistic dystopia brought about by trading our humanity for shiny trinkets. The poor in cyberpunk are just as vile as the rich in cyberpunk. Street kids will strip down a cyborg for bits given a chance and leave the meat writhing in the gutter. It's dog eat dog multiplied by insanity.
Will CP 2077 just be yet another Leftist screed when done? Maybe. We'll see when it's released. It's been 30 years since Pondsmith wrote CP so who knows what his vision of CP is today. We will know soon enough.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092562Mike is a black creator overseeing the implementation of black and other minority cultures in a big budget video game that viciously criticizes capitalism and rightist politics. The product exemplifies leftist values, so it is the height of hypocrisy for leftists to attack it.
You've never checked out anything this guy has created, have you?
Really, you could not be more off the mark about him.
Quote from: jeff37923;1092672You've never checked out anything this guy has created, have you?
Really, you could not be more off the mark about him.
I'm not sure you can easily pigeonhole someone who created both
Cyberpunk 2020 and Castle Falkenstein.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1092673I'm not sure you can easily pigeonhole someone who created both Cyberpunk 2020 and Castle Falkenstein.
I think "awesome" covers him pretty well, and I don't even
like Castle Falkenstein.
Quote from: ThatChrisGuy;1092675I think "awesome" covers him pretty well, and I don't even like Castle Falkenstein.
"Awesome" works for me.
Quote from: moonsweeper;1092678"Awesome" works for me.
I disagree emphatically.
"Awesome" is an understatement. ;)
seems relevant-
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Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092562That's why consultants exist.
Consultants are all about tricking people/companies for their money.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092562Whether they're SJWs or Anti-SJWs, in the end they're still well-off white people who think they get to decide what members of disenfranchised minorities should or shouldn't be offended by. It's arrogant and prejudiced.
As a black professor once said. "Get back to me when any of us are willing to give up our black privileges for some other minority. Because lets face it. We got a-lot and we got it better than many whites do."
Quote from: Spinachcat;1092665Where?
therealmaxmike R. Talsorian Games228 points · 4 days ago
Want to say this just once. I am really tired of well meaning people on internet chat boards paternalistically telling me what I, as a black person, should be offended by. You want to be my ally? Go gird up your loins and at this year's Thanksgiving dinner, have the nerve to tell your racist Uncle Bob to STFU for a change.
That is true.
No. "Consultants" like Skankeesian exist to drain resources, stifle creativity and push victimhood and identity politic agendas. In the words of the immortal philosophers of Steel Panther, "fuck those fucking fuck heads!"
Cyberpunk isn't anti-capitalist. It's anti-megacorporation. There isn't any real capitalism in cyberpunk because the corporations rule everything and governments are subservient to them. The genre is not "rightist politics vs leftist values" and its heroes are mostly fucked up headcases. It's about a nihilistic dystopia brought about by trading our humanity for shiny trinkets. The poor in cyberpunk are just as vile as the rich in cyberpunk. Street kids will strip down a cyborg for bits given a chance and leave the meat writhing in the gutter. It's dog eat dog multiplied by insanity.
Will CP 2077 just be yet another Leftist screed when done? Maybe. We'll see when it's released. It's been 30 years since Pondsmith wrote CP so who knows what his vision of CP is today. We will know soon enough.
This is so spot on.
Quote from: Snowman0147;1092658Sad you still think anti-sjws are are all racists. If your right of Lenin your are a anti-sjw.
In my experience, the anti-SJW movement has become just as bad as the SJW movement. At the same time that SJWs are destroying the careers of aspiring African- and Asian-American authors, anti-SJWs are trolling the Hugo Awards to get
Space Raptor Butt Invasion nominated. At the same time that Brie Larson clumsily argues for more diversity in film critics, anti-SJWs are making countless videos childishly mocking her buttocks. When Anita Sarkeesian makes a video series criticizing sexist tropes in media, the anti-SJWs send her countless death and rape threats.
If anti-SJWs want to look good, then it might help to not act like or worse than their supposed opponents.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1092665No. "Consultants" like Skankeesian exist to drain resources, stifle creativity and push victimhood and identity politic agendas. In the words of the immortal philosophers of Steel Panther, "fuck those fucking fuck heads!"
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1092694Consultants are all about tricking people/companies for their money.
I meant genuine consultants. CDProjekt consulted real Haitians for input into implementing Haitian culture in their characters.
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Sarkeesian is just a low-grade shake-down scammer. She should be ignored.
Mike seems to have a handle on this. And did so perfectly. No apologies, no backpeddling. Maximum Mike is still in top form.
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Sarkeesian is just a low-grade shake-down scammer. She should be ignored.
Mike seems to have a handle on this. And did so perfectly. No apologies, no backpeddling. Maximum Mike is still in top form.
From what I've learned recently, I likely disagree with some of his personal views. And I am still going to buy his stuff in print as I rebuild my physical gaming library. He's one of the all time great RPG designers, and has the balls to tell the freakshow to piss off.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736In my experience, the anti-SJW movement has become just as bad as the SJW movement. At the same time that SJWs are destroying the careers of aspiring African- and Asian-American authors, anti-SJWs are trolling the Hugo Awards to get Space Raptor Butt Invasion nominated. At the same time that Brie Larson clumsily argues for more diversity in film critics, anti-SJWs are making countless videos childishly mocking her buttocks. When Anita Sarkeesian makes a video series criticizing sexist tropes in media, the anti-SJWs send her countless death and rape threats.
You think that destroying someone's career is "just as bad" as trolling the Hugos with Space Raptor Butt Invasion? I think I'd disagree. One is juvenile but relatively harmless. The other, well, destroying someone's career seems pretty goddamn bad to me.
As for Auntie Anita, she's made serious bank on being a victim. Everyone notable gets death and rape threats online. I don't approve of them, but how many have been followed up with an actual attack?
QuoteIf anti-SJWs want to look good, then it might help to not act like or worse than their supposed opponents.
Anti-SJWs aren't concerned with looking good. That's what makes them immune to the SJW nonsense.
The goal is to mock SJWs and reveal how terrible they are.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736In my experience, the anti-SJW movement has become just as bad as the SJW movement. At the same time that SJWs are destroying the careers of aspiring African- and Asian-American authors, anti-SJWs are trolling the Hugo Awards to get Space Raptor Butt Invasion nominated. At the same time that Brie Larson clumsily argues for more diversity in film critics, anti-SJWs are making countless videos childishly mocking her buttocks. When Anita Sarkeesian makes a video series criticizing sexist tropes in media, the anti-SJWs send her countless death and rape threats.
If anti-SJWs want to look good, then it might help to not act like or worse than their supposed opponents.
Bullshit. SJWs are bullies and bullies need to be stood up to and cracked in the jaw. As it's illegal to assault people, we use freedom of speech to challenge and ridicule them. They can't complete so they try to change the rules, blocking dissent and ruining lives. Playing nice and being civil has been tried. It doesn't work when dealing with intellectually and emotionally childish people who find the most abhorrent things to be just and good. Live and let live was tried and it simply doesn't work. The SJW won't allow any other views to exist.
Quote from: RandyB;1092750From what I've learned recently, I likely disagree with some of his personal views. And I am still going to buy his stuff in print as I rebuild my physical gaming library. He's one of the all time great RPG designers, and has the balls to tell the freakshow to piss off.
Yep. I don't have to agree with you on everything as long as you're honest when it matters (even if I think you're wrong). Mike is one of the greatest RPG designers ever. He doesn't get nearly enough praise. I don't say it lightly either. Seeing him stick up for his vision pleases me to no end, because so many other designers would have caved to the Fauxtragists
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736In my experience, the anti-SJW movement has become just as bad as the SJW movement.
This assumes they are somehow equal in value and goals. Clearly they aren't. The anti-SJW people don't have a goal that is actually unjust. SJW's do. Equivalency of outcome *is* unjust.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736At the same time that SJWs are destroying the careers of aspiring African- and Asian-American authors, anti-SJWs are trolling the Hugo Awards to get Space Raptor Butt Invasion nominated.
You're equivocating the act of overt destruction of an institution with the overt act of pointing at the previous overt act and mocking it by the very same means for the PURPOSE of showing how destructive it is. One of these things is not like the other.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736At the same time that Brie Larson clumsily argues for more diversity in film critics, anti-SJWs are making countless videos childishly mocking her buttocks. When Anita Sarkeesian makes a video series criticizing sexist tropes in media, the anti-SJWs send her countless death and rape threats.
She has repeatedly shown her hostility to white males. REPEATEDLY. If anyone said the same things about non-whites, or LGBT+ people in the same context you know exactly how the outrage mob would act. One of these things is not like the other. Again you're equivocating the agenda of one group to another - and they are not the same.
Is Anita Sarkeesian actually getting countless death threats and rape threats sent to her by anti-SJW's? Because there are laws against that. The same laws that anti-SJW's ostensibly have been fighting for on the internet. I'm willing to concede there are bad apples in every bunch. But the downsides of one group are nowhere remotely as bad as the downsides of the other. Words are not violence after all. Anyone making such threats can *easily* be charged with a crime. And who exactly seems to be the most litigious of the two camps? Which camp has shown REPEATEDLY to lie and fake such harrassment? Worse- which camp seems to actually commit these very acts they say they're against more?
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736If anti-SJWs want to look good, then it might help to not act like or worse than their supposed opponents.
Do they in fact? When your sensitivity meter gives you +10 Outrage at the merest hint of a slight - worse, to simply not vocally agree with them, I suspect anti-SJW's can never really play that game and expect to win.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736I meant genuine consultants. CDProjekt consulted real Haitians for input into implementing Haitian culture in their characters.
So was it racist to caption the inflection of their accents and make fun of them, if even only briefly? Tell us.
https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2016/12/fbi-closed-gamergate-case-due-to-no-actionable-leads-evidence/18282/
QuoteDue to the jocular manner in which the threats were conducted and the lack of any identifiable suspects who actually had intentions to do harm, the FBI closed the case.
I'm morbidly curious to see how much it might hurt Cyberpunk 2077 if they capitulate to Anita & Friends. I doubt and hope they won't, but if they do I'd be surprised if we don't see a serious pushback and hype-kill.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736In my experience, the anti-SJW movement has become just as bad as the SJW movement. At the same time that SJWs are destroying the careers of aspiring African- and Asian-American authors, anti-SJWs are trolling the Hugo Awards to get Space Raptor Butt Invasion nominated. At the same time that Brie Larson clumsily argues for more diversity in film critics, anti-SJWs are making countless videos childishly mocking her buttocks. When Anita Sarkeesian makes a video series criticizing sexist tropes in media, the anti-SJWs send her countless death and rape threats.
If anti-SJWs want to look good, then it might help to not act like or worse than their supposed opponents.
Dude, you are so fucked in the head about this.
Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1092784I'm morbidly curious to see how much it might hurt Cyberpunk 2077 if they capitulate to Anita & Friends. I doubt and hope they won't, but if they do I'd be surprised if we don't see a serious pushback and hype-kill.
I mean, how the hell do you do 'punk' anything if you kowtow to outside pressure?
Quote from: SavageSchemer;1092787I mean, how the hell do you do 'punk' anything if you kowtow to outside pressure?
By getting punked?
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736In my experience......
Not to dogpile too much here but:
As far as the attacks against Sarkeesian go; take a look at how she reacted to Boogie2988 input at Vidcon. I don't doubt she has received some mean comments over the years, but then she does take anything and everything that is not praise as an attack. If anyone is "toxic" it's her (not to mention Zoe Quinn and co.)
Quote from: Trond;1092791Not to dogpile too much here but:
Oh please. This isn't dog-piling at all. This is me banging my face against sanctimonious right-wing cinder blocks because I'm feeling masochistic. There is so much fake news and echo chambers nowadays that trying have a rational discourse about politically sensitive topics is pretty much impossible.
I only visit due to a combination of inertia and morbid fascination.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736In my experience, the anti-SJW movement has become just as bad as the SJW movement. At the same time that SJWs are destroying the careers of aspiring African- and Asian-American authors, anti-SJWs are trolling the Hugo Awards to get Space Raptor Butt Invasion nominated. At the same time that Brie Larson clumsily argues for more diversity in film critics, anti-SJWs are making countless videos childishly mocking her buttocks. When Anita Sarkeesian makes a video series criticizing sexist tropes in media, the anti-SJWs send her countless death and rape threats.
If anti-SJWs want to look good, then it might help to not act like or worse than their supposed opponents.
BULLSHIT!
I have never seen a anti-sjw formed movements that are dedicated in wanting police officers to die aka Black Lives Matter and wanting to silence their political opponents by any means necessary aka Antifa. You tell me a guy who makes memes, or is just conservative is just as bad as sick fucks that beat people up with bike parts? How about you pull your head out of your fucking ass for once?
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092793Oh please. This isn't dog-piling at all. This is me banging my face against sanctimonious right-wing cinder blocks because I'm feeling masochistic. There is so much fake news and echo chambers nowadays that trying have a rational discourse about politically sensitive topics is pretty much impossible.
I only visit due to a combination of inertia and morbid fascination.
(https://www.rti.org/sites/default/files/styles/rti_banner_1250/public/impact-hero-images/nile.jpg?itok=Be_tzW3l)
It must suck to see social justice ideology come crashing down around you. I don't blame you for being bitter.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736At the same time that Brie Larson clumsily argues for more diversity in film critics, anti-SJWs are making countless videos childishly mocking her buttocks.
Those monsters. You must protect the buttocks!
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736In my experience, the anti-SJW movement has become just as bad as the SJW movement. At the same time that SJWs are destroying the careers of aspiring African- and Asian-American authors, anti-SJWs are trolling the Hugo Awards to get Space Raptor Butt Invasion nominated. At the same time that Brie Larson clumsily argues for more diversity in film critics, anti-SJWs are making countless videos childishly mocking her buttocks. When Anita Sarkeesian makes a video series criticizing sexist tropes in media, the anti-SJWs send her countless death and rape threats.
If anti-SJWs want to look good, then it might help to not act like or worse than their supposed opponents.
I think that we can agree that Anita Sarkeesian and Salman Rushdie are the two writers most unfairly targeted by anti-SJWs.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736In my experience, the anti-SJW movement has become just as bad as the SJW movement.
Does the anti-SJW movement have Hollywood, Silicon Valley and the entire MSM jumping when it says jump?
That would be a good start for us becoming "just as bad".
But don't worry, the naughty naughty anti-SJWs aren't going to be on social media much longer. Facebook, YouTube and Twitter have been ramping up their "cleansing" of dissenting voices and there's no doubt social media will be a corporate enforced SJW safe space in the coming years.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736At the same time that SJWs are destroying the careers of aspiring African- and Asian-American authors, anti-SJWs are trolling the Hugo Awards to get Space Raptor Butt Invasion nominated.
The Hugo Awards traded decades of credibility for wokeness. Welcome to the price tag.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736At the same time that Brie Larson clumsily argues for more diversity in film critics, anti-SJWs are making countless videos childishly mocking her buttocks.
Brie is a piece of shit. Just imagine an actor demanding to speak to Only White or Only Male critics.
It's her stupid facehole, not her saggy asshole, that's her problem.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736When Anita Sarkeesian makes a video series criticizing sexist tropes in media, the anti-SJWs send her countless death and rape threats.
Please link to news stories about the arrests of everyone who threatened her.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736If anti-SJWs want to look good, then it might help to not act like or worse than their supposed opponents.
Anti-SJWs look good when they mock without mercy.
We're not trying to "look good" to anyone who values what the SJWs are selling.
And it doesn't matter anymore. There aren't any "minds to change". Everyone has chosen their banner. You are SJW, anti-SJW or mushy middle covering your ears and hoping Mommy makes the screaming stop.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736I meant genuine consultants. CDProjekt consulted real Haitians for input into implementing Haitian culture in their characters.
LOL.
It's that laughable SJW insanity where only people of XYZ culture can create any characters from culture XYZ. And we're talking about Haiti 2077 which might possibly be less of a shithole than Haiti 2019 so somehow these consultants are gonna know Haitian culture 60 years from now? LOL. If you're doing a game about Haiti 2000, then that's a different story. Then the "real Haitians" might have useful input.
No "consultant" from 1960 America could have told us meaningful details about American culture in 2019.
This "consultant " crap is just virtue signalling bullshit.
Quote from: SavageSchemer;1092787I mean, how the hell do you do 'punk' anything if you kowtow to outside pressure?
Every video game company that hired Anita punked their customers!
Quote from: Shasarak;1092806I think that we can agree that Anita Sarkeesian and Salman Rushdie are the two writers most unfairly targeted by anti-SJWs.
Awesome. Pure awesome.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736I meant genuine consultants. CDProjekt consulted real Haitians for input into implementing Haitian culture in their characters.
They weren't consultants though.
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1092755You think that destroying someone's career is "just as bad" as trolling the Hugos with Space Raptor Butt Invasion? I think I'd disagree. One is juvenile but relatively harmless. The other, well, destroying someone's career seems pretty goddamn bad to me.
As for Auntie Anita, she's made serious bank on being a victim. Everyone notable gets death and rape threats online. I don't approve of them, but how many have been followed up with an actual attack?
Anti-SJWs aren't concerned with looking good. That's what makes them immune to the SJW nonsense.
The goal is to mock SJWs and reveal how terrible they are.
Quoted for truth.
Quote from: RandyB;1092750From what I've learned recently, I likely disagree with some of his personal views. And I am still going to buy his stuff in print as I rebuild my physical gaming library. He's one of the all time great RPG designers, and has the balls to tell the freakshow to piss off.
Democrats assume that Mike is also a Democrat. So they buy his stuff. For now.
Quote from: Trond;1092791Not to dogpile too much here but:
As far as the attacks against Sarkeesian go; take a look at how she reacted to Boogie2988 input at Vidcon. I don't doubt she has received some mean comments over the years, but then she does take anything and everything that is not praise as an attack. If anyone is "toxic" it's her (not to mention Zoe Quinn and co.)
She "attacked" Carl Benjamin, who was doing nothing, just for sitting in the front row of her discussion panel at the time.
Quote from: Shasarak;1092806I think that we can agree that Anita Sarkeesian and Salman Rushdie are the two writers most unfairly targeted by anti-SJWs.
I like how "anti-SJWs" is now just a thing, where it wasn't one before.
Anyway. William Shatner is apparently an "anti-SJW", who SJWs wanted dead and are now trying to destroy his charity.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092562The product exemplifies leftist values, so it is the height of hypocrisy for leftists to attack it.
One of the interesting things about white supremacist groups is that they actually kill a lot of other white supremacists - for not being white supremacist enough.
In Australia in the 1960s, the Communist Party directed its preferences to the Liberal (actually a conservative) party, because they thought the Labor Party wasn't left-wing enough.
Most groups with extreme political, religious etc views spend a lot of time and effort policing their own for not being "pure" enough. That this is counter-productive to their cause seems to have escaped them.
Pondsmith's a legend.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1092844One of the interesting things about white supremacist groups is that they actually kill a lot of other white supremacists - for not being white supremacist enough.
Its quite common with all extremist groups. Deviation from purity is the most vile heresy.
Considering the people in these groups, their need to wipe out heretics among them is a feature, not a bug.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1092844One of the interesting things about white supremacist groups is that they actually kill a lot of other white supremacists
ANTIFA is another group that plays along to get along.
[video=youtube;HR7WppMFkyI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR7WppMFkyI[/youtube]
More Maximum Mike in response to some idiots at E3.
https://www.pcgamer.com/cyberpunk-creator-mike-pondsmith-defends-2077-from-post-e3-criticism/ (https://www.pcgamer.com/cyberpunk-creator-mike-pondsmith-defends-2077-from-post-e3-criticism/)
The telling factor though will be in how the RPG and PC game publishers react. Hopefully neither bends knee to these nuts.
Quote from: Omega;1092911The telling factor though will be in how the RPG and PC game publishers react. Hopefully neither bends knee to these nuts.
As far as I know, Mike Pondsmith more or less
is R. Talsorian Games, so I wouldn't worry on that front.
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1092482She didn't get her endgame goal at those UN hearings and now the video game industry is ignoring her since she was a consultant to both Mass Effect Andromeda AND Anthem, two of the largest video game failures in recent years so she's no longer seen as infallible like she once was.
Fucking hell, it wasn't bad enough that BioWare failed to sack Casey Hudson after he fucked up Mass Effect 3; and let him ruin Andromeda with his crap writing too, but they also hired that shill to stir in some SJW garbage too?
Quote from: Omega;1092911The telling factor though will be in how the RPG and PC game publishers react. Hopefully neither bends knee to these nuts.
"Maximum" Mike Pondsmith *is* the RPG publisher - he founded and still owns R. Talsorian Games. And what he is doing is damn near the opposite of bending the knee. Nothing to worry about on that front.
Also, this isn't CD Projekt Red's first tussle with social justice.
https://www.polygon.com/2015/6/3/8719389/colorblind-on-witcher-3-rust-and-gamings-race-problem
https://www.themarysue.com/pixelthreads-worldbuilding-witcher-3-wild-hunt/
Oh, look. this also isn't Feminist Fequency's first dance with CDPR. Shocked, etc.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/05/31/why-feminist-frequency-is-dead-wrong-about-the-witcher-3/#4a98e171435b
Quote from: CRKrueger;1092908More Maximum Mike in response to some idiots at E3.
https://www.pcgamer.com/cyberpunk-creator-mike-pondsmith-defends-2077-from-post-e3-criticism/ (https://www.pcgamer.com/cyberpunk-creator-mike-pondsmith-defends-2077-from-post-e3-criticism/)
Yeah, and that rag should only be linked in archived links.
QuoteSo he likes the game, then, though whether or not CD Projekt's creation matches Pondsmith's vision wasn't the crux of the criticism, and would be an exercise in comparison. As a game named for a genre which has a great deal of existing symbolic meaning, Cyberpunk 2077's portrayal of the future and what it has to say about cultural and economic oppression will surely continue to be scrutinized.
You fucking what mate? A game will be scrutinized for "what it has to say about cultural and economic oppression"?. It's a fucking game you zealots! It has nothing to say about those things in the real world, it only has to make sense inworld. But what can you expect from the SocJusCult zealot Urinalists?
Quote from: Kiero;1092913Fucking hell, it wasn't bad enough that BioWare failed to sack Casey Hudson after he fucked up Mass Effect 3; and let him ruin Andromeda with his crap writing too, but they also hired that shill to stir in some SJW garbage too?
Yes. She took a photo with her among the staff at bioware.
Journalism sure has suffered since the de-regulation of media consolidation under Bill Clinton... :D Is it still not censorship-censorship if the gov't sub-contracted out its role to oligarchic cartels? :D
I wonder how many SJW "consulted" flops need to occur before the video game companies pull their heads out of their ass?
Quote from: Opaopajr;1092994Is it still not censorship-censorship if the gov't sub-contracted out its role to oligarchic cartels? :D
I consider it censorship, but I understand the legal definitions.
However, there is a legal definition of "platform" vs. "publisher"...
[video=youtube;RNTRbis9WHw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNTRbis9WHw[/youtube]
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1093021[video=youtube;RNTRbis9WHw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNTRbis9WHw[/youtube]
Good, if true.
Well, that put a little giddy-up back in my step. Thx GeekyBugle!
I'm sure she'll find a new, equally annoying confidence job to pull. Trust me, she's latched on to pop culture like a tick.
Eh... gov't, corporations, and technocratic elites have already "Cyberpunked" NGOs beyond their legal pupose for their own "street values," to borrow thedungeondelver's argument.
501c3s are supposed to spend 5% of their previous annual net each fiscal cycle, so if you are spending out more than you previously started with you're doing fine. Starts with 200+k, gains 300+k, ends with under 140+k... system working as intended. Ooooh, oh no, cartels lose out on needed-to-be-laundered money for tax write-off and social PR! ;) Yeah, quite the renewable resource.
Remember, these are exortion services to push agendas, so as to launder and tax write-off funds for corps, in exchange for good social PR, and more importantly backscratching gov't and cartel inner circles by coddling their next-gen parasitic assets -- all while their precious social sciences networkering flunkies get "paying non-profit [titled!] gigs (with awards!)" to pad their resumes for when they return to halls of power in a decade or so, to keep the circus plowing merrily along to Gehenna.
It's how the next crop of parasites brood their young in the globetreking technocratic managerial class. ;)
Yes, you live in Cyberpunk hell already. :) My condolences.
Quote from: Opaopajr;1093166It's how the next crop of parasites brood their young in the globetreking technocratic managerial class. ;)
So true! I've met a few NGO clowns and you're 100% on target. I have to include them in the setting background for my Cyberpunk game in a cycle of neopotism between gov'ts and corporations.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1093225So true! I've met a few NGO clowns and you're 100% on target. I have to include them in the setting background for my Cyberpunk game in a cycle of neopotism between gov'ts and corporations.
:D I like to think of it as an ethereal (or celestial?) Geiger-esque alien (xenomorph... :rolleyes: ) bursting out of people's gestating hopes and dreams. ;) Makes it prime gaming fodder for many games, like CP2020, Kult, In Nomine, Changeling, etc. ("Aww, the big, bad, solo monsters aren't hard enough for your crack squad of murderhobos? How do fight a corrupted and repuposed institution? :D Yes, let's dive deep into hell tonight, my players.")
Fuck Anita (but not with my dick, pls).
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1092844One of the interesting things about white supremacist groups is that they actually kill a lot of other white supremacists - for not being white supremacist enough.
In Australia in the 1960s, the Communist Party directed its preferences to the Liberal (actually a conservative) party, because they thought the Labor Party wasn't left-wing enough.
Most groups with extreme political, religious etc views spend a lot of time and effort policing their own for not being "pure" enough. That this is counter-productive to their cause seems to have escaped them.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1092854Its quite common with all extremist groups. Deviation from purity is the most vile heresy.
Considering the people in these groups, their need to wipe out heretics among them is a feature, not a bug.
That's fanaticism for ya. And it will continue until only the most desperate, deluded, and dangerous remain.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1092924Yeah, and that rag should only be linked in archived links.
The problem with that is if the archive goes down, the links are lost. Remember donotlink.com? It was the weapon of choice for Anna Kreider and Zak S to take potshots at each other. Now all that drama is lost, like tears in rain.
Quote from: Opaopajr;1093245:D I like to think of it as an ethereal (or celestial?) Geiger-esque alien (xenomorph... :rolleyes: ) bursting out of people's gestating hopes and dreams. ;)
I admire its purity. A survivor, unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.
Like tears in rain.
Scripture should not be altered.