Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092562Whether they're SJWs or Anti-SJWs, in the end they're still well-off white people who think they get to decide what members of disenfranchised minorities should or shouldn't be offended by. It's arrogant and prejudiced.

As a black professor once said. "Get back to me when any of us are willing to give up our black privileges for some other minority. Because lets face it. We got a-lot and we got it better than many whites do."

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therealmaxmike R. Talsorian Games228 points · 4 days ago

Want to say this just once. I am really tired of well meaning people on internet chat boards paternalistically telling me what I, as a black person, should be offended by. You want to be my ally? Go gird up your loins and at this year's Thanksgiving dinner, have the nerve to tell your racist Uncle Bob to STFU for a change.




That is true.




No. "Consultants" like Skankeesian exist to drain resources, stifle creativity and push victimhood and identity politic agendas. In the words of the immortal philosophers of Steel Panther, "fuck those fucking fuck heads!"




Cyberpunk isn't anti-capitalist. It's anti-megacorporation. There isn't any real capitalism in cyberpunk because the corporations rule everything and governments are subservient to them.  The genre is not "rightist politics vs leftist values" and its heroes are mostly fucked up headcases. It's about a nihilistic dystopia brought about by trading our humanity for shiny trinkets. The poor in cyberpunk are just as vile as the rich in cyberpunk. Street kids will strip down a cyborg for bits given a chance and leave the meat writhing in the gutter. It's dog eat dog multiplied by insanity.

Will CP 2077 just be yet another Leftist screed when done? Maybe. We'll see when it's released. It's been 30 years since Pondsmith wrote CP so who knows what his vision of CP is today. We will know soon enough.

This is so spot on.

Quote from: Snowman0147;1092658Sad you still think anti-sjws are are all racists.  If your right of Lenin your are a anti-sjw.

In my experience, the anti-SJW movement has become just as bad as the SJW movement. At the same time that SJWs are destroying the careers of aspiring African- and Asian-American authors, anti-SJWs are trolling the Hugo Awards to get Space Raptor Butt Invasion nominated. At the same time that Brie Larson clumsily argues for more diversity in film critics, anti-SJWs are making countless videos childishly mocking her buttocks. When Anita Sarkeesian makes a video series criticizing sexist tropes in media, the anti-SJWs send her countless death and rape threats.

If anti-SJWs want to look good, then it might help to not act like or worse than their supposed opponents.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1092665No. "Consultants" like Skankeesian exist to drain resources, stifle creativity and push victimhood and identity politic agendas. In the words of the immortal philosophers of Steel Panther, "fuck those fucking fuck heads!"

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1092694Consultants are all about tricking people/companies for their money.

I meant genuine consultants. CDProjekt consulted real Haitians for input into implementing Haitian culture in their characters.

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Sarkeesian is just a low-grade shake-down scammer. She should be ignored.

Mike seems to have a handle on this. And did so perfectly. No apologies, no backpeddling. Maximum Mike is still in top form.

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Sarkeesian is just a low-grade shake-down scammer. She should be ignored.

Mike seems to have a handle on this. And did so perfectly. No apologies, no backpeddling. Maximum Mike is still in top form.

From what I've learned recently, I likely disagree with some of his personal views. And I am still going to buy his stuff in print as I rebuild my physical gaming library. He's one of the all time great RPG designers, and has the balls to tell the freakshow to piss off.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736In my experience, the anti-SJW movement has become just as bad as the SJW movement. At the same time that SJWs are destroying the careers of aspiring African- and Asian-American authors, anti-SJWs are trolling the Hugo Awards to get Space Raptor Butt Invasion nominated. At the same time that Brie Larson clumsily argues for more diversity in film critics, anti-SJWs are making countless videos childishly mocking her buttocks. When Anita Sarkeesian makes a video series criticizing sexist tropes in media, the anti-SJWs send her countless death and rape threats.

You think that destroying someone's career is "just as bad" as trolling the Hugos with Space Raptor Butt Invasion? I think I'd disagree. One is juvenile but relatively harmless. The other, well, destroying someone's career seems pretty goddamn bad to me.

As for Auntie Anita, she's made serious bank on being a victim. Everyone notable gets death and rape threats online. I don't approve of them, but how many have been followed up with an actual attack?

QuoteIf anti-SJWs want to look good, then it might help to not act like or worse than their supposed opponents.

Anti-SJWs aren't concerned with looking good. That's what makes them immune to the SJW nonsense.
The goal is to mock SJWs and reveal how terrible they are.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736In my experience, the anti-SJW movement has become just as bad as the SJW movement. At the same time that SJWs are destroying the careers of aspiring African- and Asian-American authors, anti-SJWs are trolling the Hugo Awards to get Space Raptor Butt Invasion nominated. At the same time that Brie Larson clumsily argues for more diversity in film critics, anti-SJWs are making countless videos childishly mocking her buttocks. When Anita Sarkeesian makes a video series criticizing sexist tropes in media, the anti-SJWs send her countless death and rape threats.

If anti-SJWs want to look good, then it might help to not act like or worse than their supposed opponents.

Bullshit. SJWs are bullies and bullies need to be stood up to and cracked in the jaw. As it's illegal to assault people, we use freedom of speech to challenge and ridicule them. They can't complete so they try to change the rules, blocking dissent and ruining lives. Playing nice and being civil has been tried. It doesn't work when dealing with intellectually and emotionally childish people who find the most abhorrent things to be just and good. Live and let live was tried and it simply doesn't work. The SJW won't allow any other views to exist.

Quote from: RandyB;1092750From what I've learned recently, I likely disagree with some of his personal views. And I am still going to buy his stuff in print as I rebuild my physical gaming library. He's one of the all time great RPG designers, and has the balls to tell the freakshow to piss off.

Yep. I don't have to agree with you on everything as long as you're honest when it matters (even if I think you're wrong). Mike is one of the greatest RPG designers ever. He doesn't get nearly enough praise. I don't say it lightly either. Seeing him stick up for his vision pleases me to no end, because so many other designers would have caved to the Fauxtragists

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736In my experience, the anti-SJW movement has become just as bad as the SJW movement.

This assumes they are somehow equal in value and goals. Clearly they aren't. The anti-SJW people don't have a goal that is actually unjust. SJW's do. Equivalency of outcome *is* unjust.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736At the same time that SJWs are destroying the careers of aspiring African- and Asian-American authors, anti-SJWs are trolling the Hugo Awards to get Space Raptor Butt Invasion nominated.

You're equivocating the act of overt destruction of an institution with the overt act of pointing at the previous overt act and mocking it by the very same means for the PURPOSE of showing how destructive it is. One of these things is not like the other.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736At the same time that Brie Larson clumsily argues for more diversity in film critics, anti-SJWs are making countless videos childishly mocking her buttocks. When Anita Sarkeesian makes a video series criticizing sexist tropes in media, the anti-SJWs send her countless death and rape threats.

She has repeatedly shown her hostility to white males. REPEATEDLY. If anyone said the same things about non-whites, or LGBT+ people in the same context you know exactly how the outrage mob would act. One of these things is not like the other. Again you're equivocating the agenda of one group to another - and they are not the same.

Is Anita Sarkeesian actually getting countless death threats and rape threats sent to her by anti-SJW's? Because there are laws against that. The same laws that anti-SJW's ostensibly have been fighting for on the internet. I'm willing to concede there are bad apples in every bunch. But the downsides of one group are nowhere remotely as bad as the downsides of the other. Words are not violence after all. Anyone making such threats can *easily* be charged with a crime. And who exactly seems to be the most litigious of the two camps? Which camp has shown REPEATEDLY to lie and fake such harrassment? Worse-  which camp seems to actually commit these very acts they say they're against more?

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736If anti-SJWs want to look good, then it might help to not act like or worse than their supposed opponents.

Do they in fact? When your sensitivity meter gives you +10 Outrage at the merest hint of a slight - worse, to simply not vocally agree with them, I suspect anti-SJW's can never really play that game and expect to win.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736I meant genuine consultants. CDProjekt consulted real Haitians for input into implementing Haitian culture in their characters.

So was it racist to caption the inflection of their accents and make fun of them, if even only briefly? Tell us.

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2016/12/fbi-closed-gamergate-case-due-to-no-actionable-leads-evidence/18282/

QuoteDue to the jocular manner in which the threats were conducted and the lack of any identifiable suspects who actually had intentions to do harm, the FBI closed the case.

I'm morbidly curious to see how much it might hurt Cyberpunk 2077 if they capitulate to Anita & Friends. I doubt and hope they won't, but if they do I'd be surprised if we don't see a serious pushback and hype-kill.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736In my experience, the anti-SJW movement has become just as bad as the SJW movement. At the same time that SJWs are destroying the careers of aspiring African- and Asian-American authors, anti-SJWs are trolling the Hugo Awards to get Space Raptor Butt Invasion nominated. At the same time that Brie Larson clumsily argues for more diversity in film critics, anti-SJWs are making countless videos childishly mocking her buttocks. When Anita Sarkeesian makes a video series criticizing sexist tropes in media, the anti-SJWs send her countless death and rape threats.

If anti-SJWs want to look good, then it might help to not act like or worse than their supposed opponents.

Dude, you are so fucked in the head about this.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1092784I'm morbidly curious to see how much it might hurt Cyberpunk 2077 if they capitulate to Anita & Friends. I doubt and hope they won't, but if they do I'd be surprised if we don't see a serious pushback and hype-kill.

I mean, how the hell do you do 'punk' anything if you kowtow to outside pressure?

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1092787I mean, how the hell do you do 'punk' anything if you kowtow to outside pressure?

By getting punked?

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1092736In my experience......

Not to dogpile too much here but:
As far as the attacks against Sarkeesian go; take a look at how she reacted to Boogie2988 input at Vidcon. I don't doubt she has received some mean comments over the years, but then she does take anything and everything that is not praise as an attack. If anyone is "toxic" it's her (not to mention Zoe Quinn and co.)