An important notice on political threads in the main forum

[Slipshot762]

It gets harder and harder these days to not let tangenital politics rouse wrath and ire, drawing you away from a core topic to rave at insanity. Especially just now with admitted communist sedition destroying monuments, cities, and general peace of mind, doubly so given that I been warning about communists for more than ten years only to be laughed at and dismissed for my troubles. If this thread is in any part the result of my recent ranting allergic reaction to the insulting notion that I or anyone else should "apologize for being white" I do tender humble forbearance for unintended strife caused on my part. That said, I meant what I said, I stand by it, I'll sign my name to it and I'll set it in stone if need be. Beyond that, for my part, I shall endeavor to not further let slip thunderous wrath at such provocation and will attempt to ignore political angles or tangents if I'm able to recognize them as such, and bow out with the acknowledgement that I have to stop speaking or I'm going to hurt some feelings.

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I reckon everyone squarely knows now that I got nothing but aggression and spite for anti-white BS and I shouldn't have to make that apparent with another rant. God bless the lot of you anyway, even the ugly ones.

[Mistwell]

Banned? SO FUCKING WHAT!!

Do you think for one fucking second that I care if I'm permanently banned or not?

Do you think that I am going to somehow bend? Are you fucking kicking me?

I've got a LONG history of burning bridges and not giving a damn.

I will say whatever I will say.

RPGPundit will do whatever RPGPundit does.

I like Pundy, but getting banned would just mean my damn RPG gets done faster!

To be clear, I explained in my post. I wasn't wondering if you cared. I said it was a greedy thing for me. *I* don't want you banned. I think it would lessen the value of this place to me.

[Mistwell]

Because if you remove all the political BS from the current RPG industry, there isn't anything to talk about. There hasn't been a significant mechanical innovation in RPGs in over a decade and all we are getting is slightly modified versions of things that have been done multiple times in the past; a slightly modified version of Cyberpunk, a slightly modified version of Pathfinder, a slightly modified version of Twilight 2000, etc, etc, etc.

Seriously dude you cannot think of anything to talk about concerning role playing games other than politics of RPG games? You can't think of anything to talk about unless it's new mechanics? Come on hedge. You can think of plenty of things to talk about and I've seen you talk about them.

[RPGPundit]

I wish some of those threads got more traction so I could discuss some of my RPG pet peeves and ideas, and I don't even mind having political discussions or dissecting idiotic corporate statements. But I guess bitching about what other people are discussing is more important.



I agree. Some of these discussions are damn near impossible to have without delving into non-RPG politics. The politics of the day are too entwined into the majority of these issues to discuss them without getting into non-RPG politics at some point. It's like freaking walking through eggshells.

Then let me give you an example: let's say, in a contemporary case, some RPG company makes a public apology for slavery and promises to donate a percentage of their income to BLM. You can talk about BLM in the context of the company, it's decisions, and the hobby in general. But if someone goes from there to make a post only talks about what BLM is doing outside of the hobby, that's a violation.

[Kyle Aaron]

From now on -

It was my understanding that this was always the policy. In theory.

[RPGPundit]

It was my understanding that this was always the policy. In theory.

It was. It's the punishment that just got harsher.

[Omega]

History of RPGs 101: fantasy pantheons - e.g. Nehwon, Greyhawk - were included in D&D long before any religious nuts got wind of the game and started bitching.

Nice try Timmy. But 2 of those are pantheons from novels.

[RPGPundit]

The reason to duplicate the thread would be to discuss the political aspects of a certain RPG hobby issue that you don't want discussed on the main forum.

AKA, the GunMetal thread is about the author deleting a chapter about cops from his cyberpunk Kickstarter because the author is shitting himself over BLM idiocy. As I understand your current decision, people couldn't discuss the BLM idiocy part of the author's reasoning. Thus, we'd need to open a thread in your forum to discuss that half (or more) of the RPG hobby issue because its most certainly going to be political.

They could discuss about BLM as long as it was in the context of the gaming hobby. Start talking about the racial strife in the US outside of the context of gaming, and you're off topic.

[Omega]

I mentioned the trouble I got in for suggesting a revision for Twilight 2000 because a political situation was embedded into the game, the main assumption being that the Cold War continues until the Twilight War (World War III) the superpowers destroy each other and the players try to survive the aftermath. When the Cold War ended I suggested my ideas for a different Twilight 2000. Like for instance, what of some hostile Arab country gets nuclear weapons and uses them in a terrorist attack on the United States, but that would be unfair to Muslims and arabs to make them the enemy. Well someone has to be the enemy in a game like Twilight 2000, in the past it was the Soviet Union, and that was acceptable back then, but now? Nope, can't be the arabs because that's bigoted, can't be the Chinese because that's racist, who are the bad guys going to be? The only acceptable answer for the left was the United States of America!

As long as Dead Hand is still armed the cold war is not going to be fully over as the threat of nuclear war still hangs. Exvept its in the hands of a slighjtly twitchy machine. If any other country had a doomsday device as well then thats it. Game over.

At the rate things are going you could have the new T2k setting be communist/marxist Ameriwoke tries to invade Russia, the last bastion of freedom and nukes start flying.

[Omega]

It been amply demonstrated that if a gaming forum want to continue to talk about gaming it the political talk whether it within or without the hobby need to put aside in another play. Otherwise we get the situation we have now whether every other thread is about one political issue or another.

Thats because of the insane rate things have stepped up in the gaming industry as political agendas impact games more and more. We cant have hardly any game releases or news that isnt somehow now tainted if not out-right pushing these agendas or bending knee to them.

I'd love to talk about some new WOTC product but odds are at this rate its going to be somehow agenda'd no matter. Either in the product itself or some outrage and then submission over one.

We cant even talk about older games without some sociopath half the time butting in and declaring it WACIST! SWEXIST! WHATEVERIST!

Great when we can get such a thread. Theres been a few lately.

[RandyB]

Nice try Timmy. But 2 of those are pantheons from novels.

Oh. You are making an artificial distinction between "made up for gaming" and "made up for novels". How do you classify the pantheons of the Forgotten Realms, which Ed Greenwood made up for his own fantasy writing approximately pre-D&D?

[VisionStorm]

Then let me give you an example: let's say, in a contemporary case, some RPG company makes a public apology for slavery and promises to donate a percentage of their income to BLM. You can talk about BLM in the context of the company, it's decisions, and the hobby in general. But if someone goes from there to make a post only talks about what BLM is doing outside of the hobby, that's a violation.

That's kinda what I was talking about. If someone starts a thread about some RPG company donating to BLM, then someone else comes in flabbergasted about why anyone not racist would oppose an org like BLM (still somewhat in the context of RPGs, since they're complaining that people are complaining about an RPG company donating to BLM), it becomes basically impossible to address their concerns without violating the rules, since you would have to go into non-RPG details about the issues with BLM.

Even if you skid the line and try to somehow bring it back to RPGs (like saying "...and that's why I don't like X-RPG company donating to BLM," at the end of an otherwise non-RPG post), at some point in the back and forth you're gonna mess up and forget to add the RPG-related mention as padding in between.

[Tom Kalbfus]

That's kinda what I was talking about. If someone starts a thread about some RPG company donating to BLM, then someone else comes in flabbergasted about why anyone not racist would oppose an org like BLM (still somewhat in the context of RPGs, since they're complaining that people are complaining about an RPG company donating to BLM), it becomes basically impossible to address their concerns without violating the rules, since you would have to go into non-RPG details about the issues with BLM.

Even if you skid the line and try to somehow bring it back to RPGs (like saying "...and that's why I don't like X-RPG company donating to BLM," at the end of an otherwise non-RPG post), at some point in the back and forth you're gonna mess up and forget to add the RPG-related mention as padding in between.

If the Communists take over America, then we're the bad guys for letting it happen, we could have a civil war instead, but you kind of made my point, the woke crowd will only accept an American bad guy. White people and only white people make acceptable villains to them. In the context of the Forgotten Realms, I can imagine marauders from Cormyr invading orc settlements underground, persecuting and enslaving those poor orc while the orcs heroically fight off the assault from those terrible white-skinned humans.

[Kyle Aaron]

At the rate things are going you could have the new T2k setting be communist/marxist Ameriwoke tries to invade Russia, the last bastion of freedom and nukes start flying.

Classic! But the thing is: it doesn't actually matter. In T2K, the PCs are not the national leaders. They're in the shit - a country destroyed by war with chaotic bands of troops from half a dozen different units and nations - and they want to get out of the shit. Why they were there in the shit in the first place doesn't matter.

There's a bit in the Jeremiah tv show - a plague has killed everyone from late adolescence up, 15 years on the plague has apparently gone and the young have inherited the Earth - where Jeremiah meets an old guy in a bunker.
"Who are you?"
"I'm the President of the United States!"
"That makes five now."
The old guy is not impressed at being told of his irrelevance.

It's a postapocalyptic game, and the whole point of a postapocalyptic setting is that the old world has been swept away and is irrelevant - what kind of world are you going to build? With that in mind, if your setting is after a global war, then it doesn't matter who started it or why - those countries and leaders are all gone now anyway.

[RPGPundit]

That's kinda what I was talking about. If someone starts a thread about some RPG company donating to BLM, then someone else comes in flabbergasted about why anyone not racist would oppose an org like BLM (still somewhat in the context of RPGs, since they're complaining that people are complaining about an RPG company donating to BLM), it becomes basically impossible to address their concerns without violating the rules, since you would have to go into non-RPG details about the issues with BLM.

Even if you skid the line and try to somehow bring it back to RPGs (like saying "...and that's why I don't like X-RPG company donating to BLM," at the end of an otherwise non-RPG post), at some point in the back and forth you're gonna mess up and forget to add the RPG-related mention as padding in between.

I think that this initial statement ("I can't see why anyone who isn't racist would oppose BLM") would be answerable, in terms that bring up the broader reasons to oppose the BLM movement and why doing so is not racist, while still keeping it within the discussion of the RPG hobby. The problem tends to emerge when either the OP or other people in the thread very clearly want to abandon the RPG subject completely and start debating each other about the broader national topics. People who clearly respond to a post with something that has nothing at all to do with the specific RPG hobby example are the ones who will get into trouble.