An important notice on political threads in the main forum

RPGPundit · June 25, 2020, 07:53:40 PM

Because I'm fucking sick of people constantly breaking the rules on off-topic posting, I'm making a new policy, effective immediately.

As always, the main forum allows threads on the subject of the RPG hobby, INCLUDING political entryism or other political issues WITHIN the hobby.

From now on, anyone who - TO MY OWN JUDGMENT - takes advantage of this to start posting off the topic of the RPG hobby and into their wider political opinions on the subject, will earn a PERMANENT ban from this forum.

Spinachcat · June 25, 2020, 08:20:45 PM

Are you okay with us discussing the same politicized RPG topic on your forum?
AKA, effectively duplicating the thread.

The USA and UK are an utter shitshow right now and the culture war / political war has exploded full force in the hobby. Pundy, its bad in ways you don't know from watching TV and the internet. Many of us have crazy shit happening in our neighborhoods, in our families and in our companies. I've seen the craziest shit in my life going down in the last few months.

I understand AND RESPECT why you want threads to stay on topic about the RPG industry ONLY on the main forum, but I see difficulty in how anyone supports or criticizes what happening in the RPG hobby without referencing their political opinions because bizarrely, its becoming one and the same in ways not seen before.

Take the "Paizo Apology" thread or the "BLM bundle" threads for instance. Anyone could start one on the RPG Main Forum, and per your rules, that thread MUST stay ONLY about the issue as it regards to the RPG hobby. However, perhaps we could also start one on the RPGPundit Forum which could be allowed to become whatever discussion it becomes.

What are your thoughts?

Mishihari · June 25, 2020, 10:57:39 PM

I would suggest locking the threads that are currently purely political discussions, so that folks don't get in trouble for continuing their conversation when they haven't seen your warning yet.

Sable Wyvern · June 25, 2020, 11:37:34 PM

Hey Pundit, if you want less politics in this forum, maybe don't include politics in every thread you start here?

While there are some obvious boundaries, you're basically asking people to read the mind of the Pundit and understand when something strays too far from what you consider acceptable.

Either allow politics, or shift it all to Punditry, but this half-arsed shit is just asking for confusion and for people to get as close as possible to whatever boundary you want to enforce.

Mistwell · June 26, 2020, 12:15:35 AM

Quote from: Spinachcat;1136350The USA and UK are an utter shitshow right now and the culture war / political war has exploded full force in the hobby. Pundy, its bad in ways you don't know from watching TV and the internet. Many of us have crazy shit happening in our neighborhoods, in our families and in our companies. I've seen the craziest shit in my life going down in the last few months.

And wouldn't it be nice to have a place where you don't get bombarded with that shit, and can just talk about stuff that makes us happy?

Ratman_tf · June 26, 2020, 12:45:58 AM

Quote from: Mistwell;1136373And wouldn't it be nice to have a place where you don't get bombarded with that shit, and can just talk about stuff that makes us happy?

RPGs are not that topic. You can't talk coherently about the recent statements by WOTC, Paizo and Gunmetal outside the context of current events.

GeekEclectic · June 26, 2020, 12:55:36 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1136379RPGs are not that topic. You can't talk coherently about the recent statements by WOTC, Paizo and Gunmetal outside the context of current events.

That's probably a clue right there. Think about it.

Spinachcat · June 26, 2020, 01:07:20 AM

Quote from: Mistwell;1136373And wouldn't it be nice to have a place where you don't get bombarded with that shit, and can just talk about stuff that makes us happy?

I've discussed that with RPGPundit in the past and his stance is everyone has free will to click on threads that interest them and avoid threads that do not. I can't argue with that. We are all adults and if we lack the willpower to stop clicking on threads that upset us, that's not Pundy's problem.

This is Mos Eisley. Nobody forces us into the cantina.

Mistwell · June 26, 2020, 01:36:14 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1136379RPGs are not that topic. You can't talk coherently about the recent statements by WOTC, Paizo and Gunmetal outside the context of current events.

Why are "recent statements by WOTC" things you put in the category of "stuff that makes us happy"?

It's an RPG board. Not a stock discussion board where we talk about public statements of corporations. Why can't we talk about the actual fucking games more, and the thoughts of the people who work for game companies about companies less?

Mistwell · June 26, 2020, 01:38:34 AM

Quote from: Spinachcat;1136382I've discussed that with RPGPundit in the past and his stance is everyone has free will to click on threads that interest them and avoid threads that do not. I can't argue with that. We are all adults and if we lack the willpower to stop clicking on threads that upset us, that's not Pundy's problem.

This is Mos Eisley. Nobody forces us into the cantina.

Heal thyself, physician. It's you bitching about Pundit asking people to stop finding excuses to peddle their political messages, remember?

I'd say between you and me, it's you who is risking perma-ban due to willpower issues, not me mang. I'm trying to talk you into not going down that road. You have the free will to continue to rage about SJWs in general and then get permanently banned (he's warned you more than once). OR, you have the free will to decide maybe you're not so good at keeping it to just RPG politics and so the smartest path is to just focus more on the stuff that brings you joy with RPGs.

Which, for what it's worth, I happen to think is your best stuff. Often brilliant. It would suck to lose that because of the 180th "SJWs suck!" post of the week which accidentally crosses the line.

Shasarak · June 26, 2020, 01:42:02 AM

I am old enough to remember the time when every RPG company was not desperately shoving all their political nonsense into their RPGs.

[rant]No, I am not donating to your latest pet project.

No, I am not changing my world because you suddenly think Orcs are racist.

No, I am not going to change my murder hoboing ways because you think that everyone should be getting their XPs from sitting around singing kumbaya.

No, I dont care if you think there is racism in my game, you look after your game and make it as milk toast as you want.

Just fucking no, you fucks.
[/rant]

Ratman_tf · June 26, 2020, 01:45:58 AM

Quote from: Mistwell;1136385Why are "recent statements by WOTC" things you put in the category of "stuff that makes us happy"?

I put RPGs and games in general in the category of stuff that makes me happy. WOTC makes RPGs and card games. They are not only making statements but changing their product based on current events.

QuoteIt's an RPG board. Not a stock discussion board where we talk about public statements of corporations. Why can't we talk about the actual fucking games more, and the thoughts of the people who work for game companies about companies less?

RPGPundit · June 26, 2020, 01:59:45 AM

Quote from: Spinachcat;1136350Are you okay with us discussing the same politicized RPG topic on your forum?

If people want to talk about a political subject on the RPGPundit's forum, they can try to post it, and if it's of interest to me I'll allow it. There's no reason to duplicate the thread.

RPGPundit · June 26, 2020, 02:00:36 AM

Quote from: Sable Wyvern;1136371Hey Pundit, if you want less politics in this forum, maybe don't include politics in every thread you start here?

I want the discussion on this forum to stick to the subject of RPGs, including the politics of RPGs.

Spinachcat · June 26, 2020, 06:03:41 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit;1136391If people want to talk about a political subject on the RPGPundit's forum, they can try to post it, and if it's of interest to me I'll allow it. There's no reason to duplicate the thread.

The reason to duplicate the thread would be to discuss the political aspects of a certain RPG hobby issue that you don't want discussed on the main forum.

AKA, the GunMetal thread is about the author deleting a chapter about cops from his cyberpunk Kickstarter because the author is shitting himself over BLM idiocy. As I understand your current decision, people couldn't discuss the BLM idiocy part of the author's reasoning. Thus, we'd need to open a thread in your forum to discuss that half (or more) of the RPG hobby issue because its most certainly going to be political.

Quote from: Mistwell;1136386It's you bitching about Pundit asking people to stop finding excuses to peddle their political messages, remember?

I'm not bitching about Pundit's decision. I want clarification because I don't understand how it works and what the parameters are for what is acceptable in the main forum regarding a "politics in the RPG hobby" topics.

Quote from: Mistwell;1136386You have the free will to continue to rage about SJWs in general and then get permanently banned (he's warned you more than once).

Banned? SO FUCKING WHAT!!

Do you think for one fucking second that I care if I'm permanently banned or not?

Do you think that I am going to somehow bend? Are you fucking kicking me?

I've got a LONG history of burning bridges and not giving a damn.

I will say whatever I will say.

RPGPundit will do whatever RPGPundit does.

I like Pundy, but getting banned would just mean my damn RPG gets done faster!