in one way or another.


D&D- overly complicated for the purpose of the game, too much GM prep required in mid to high levels. Otherwise, a good game.

What are some games that are good despite having some part of them being high on the suckage meter?

Traveller sucks. It was either so barebones that you had to do everything yourself to set up an adventure or it got into extreme minute detail on math and charts(the latter when Cahdwick has more active).
 
Basic D&D sucks. Why are all elves the same damn class?
 
AD&D1E sucks - Gygax is too full of himself to let anyone edit and improve his writing.
 
AD&D2E sucks - you call that a skill system? Plus half the spells are still so vague that they work differently with every DM.
 
D6 Star Wars sucks - what's with all the damn dice? Why bother with skills when you can just pump up the abilities?
 
CoC sucks - There are all these little things that could be fixed that are carried through for decades. They need a dictionary to understand the difference between an edition and a print run. Plus, experienced players learn that high pow/luck/sanity (same stat) and dodge skill are all that really matter.
 
D20 sucks. You have classes, abilities, skills, and feats? Couldn't it be cleaner if you removed one of those?
 
I like all of the above but it's helpful to have an honest look and not deify your favorites.

...as I said in that infamous thread on the Big Purple - some games also swallow then give you a cuddle and a nice hug afterwards.


- Ed c.

Quote from: Koltar...as I said in that infamous thread on the Big Purple - some games also swallow then give you a cuddle and a nice hug afterwards.

:haw:

Quote from: Koltar...as I said in that infamous thread on the Big Purple - some games also swallow then give you a cuddle and a nice hug afterwards.


- Ed c.

You stole my response...

Quote from: NicephorusCoC sucks

*giggle*

Quote from: NicephorusCoC sucks - There are all these little things that could be fixed that are carried through for decades. They need a dictionary to understand the difference between an edition and a print run. Plus, experienced players learn that high pow/luck/sanity (same stat) and dodge skill are all that really matter.

What? CoC rules dude!
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Oops! Wrong CoC. :sweatdrop: :deflated:

what a pointless thread.

Neither Rolemaster nor Hackmaster are good at pick up games. The characters take too long to generate, especially if there are people who are not veterans to the game at the table.

Savage Worlds can suffer from over-simplicity on occasion. Sometimes, you just need a little more detail for your character.

Quote from: GoOrangeSavage Worlds can suffer from over-simplicity on occasion. Sometimes, you just need a little more detail for your character.

Good idea!

 My Savage Worlds character will always wear a top hat and tails tuxedo when blasting away at monsters with a shotgun. To celebrate he will sing "Puttin on the Hits" to the tune of "Puttin' on the Ritz".


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Quote from: RoninWhat? CoC rules dude!
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I am not alone!!!

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Nope, theres still a couple of us with good taste.