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Al-Quadim setting return?

Started by Omega, March 12, 2020, 02:27:02 PM

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Steven Mitchell

#60
April 03, 2020, 01:19:32 PM
If the quality of their material continues on the current trajectory, it isn't going to matter if or when WotC goes full woke. All full woke might do is give them a last gasp from the usual suspects before they crash.

Nerag

#61
April 05, 2020, 07:21:24 AM
Hope to see Al-Qadim back some day. It had some good ideas and great adventures. Its strength was in encouraging narratives rather than dungeon-bashes (not that dungeon bashes are bad but one does like variety). I loved the tensions between the nomadic tribes and the city people, at times it felt like a less apocalyptic version of Dark Sun.

Omega

#62
April 06, 2020, 03:45:04 AM
Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1125540If the quality of their material continues on the current trajectory, it isn't going to matter if or when WotC goes full woke. All full woke might do is give them a last gasp from the usual suspects before they crash.

As long as they pay by the word expect more of these books that spend alot of words saying very little.

Spinachcat

#63
April 06, 2020, 05:09:11 AM
Welcome aboard Nerag!!


Quote from: Nerag;1125711I loved the tensions between the nomadic tribes and the city people, at times it felt like a less apocalyptic version of Dark Sun.

Fully agree. The nomads vs. city theme was quite cool (and caused all sorts of shenanigans in games) and definitely less dire setting than Dark Sun, and that allowed for some great stories. I had tremendous fun running Al Qadim.

tenbones

#64
April 06, 2020, 11:06:20 AM
Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1125540If the quality of their material continues on the current trajectory, it isn't going to matter if or when WotC goes full woke. All full woke might do is give them a last gasp from the usual suspects before they crash.

No one I play with currently consumes WotC RPG products. A couple of my players are avid Magic players - they detest the Magic community for the woke bullshit.

But to your point - the material that WotC is putting out for D&D has zero appeal to GM's like myself that have a library of previous editions that require *zero* effort to mine for not just 5e, but other systems if I wanna play in those settings. So I've taken my queue from WotC - they're not producing stuff that is useful to me, or of a quality/content that is worth my money. Fine.

Al-Qadim has a ton of material from 2e that frankly stands far taller than anything put out for 5e. A little elbow-grease is all that is required to convert it.

RPGPundit

#65
April 12, 2020, 04:17:07 AM
Well, if you want to play a cracking fantasy setting with no white people in it, there's always Arrows of Indra.
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Omega

#66
April 12, 2020, 06:13:51 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit;1126573Well, if you want to play a cracking fantasy setting with no white people in it, there's always Arrows of Indra.

Bemusingly I've never heard a SJW nut ever refer to an Arab or Hindu (or whatever its trendy today to call them) as a "person of colour". Hell. Hispanics only get that nod when its convenient to the cultists agenda.

BoxCrayonTales

#67
April 12, 2020, 11:33:43 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit;1126573Well, if you want to play a cracking fantasy setting with no white people in it, there's always Arrows of Indra.

I looked at the product page on DTRPG, and immediately in the comments somebody was calling you a misogynistic homophobic fascist.

It doesn't make sense that somebody who can appreciate foreign cultures and engages in a genuinely respectful form of cultural appropriation to produce Arrows of Indra would be a fascist. Historically fascists were opposed to cultural exchange because it promotes the sharing of ideas and knowledge, which naturally leads to more open-mindedness and scientific progress.

Krugus

#68
April 12, 2020, 11:50:04 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1124664The following post gets a bit rambling, so excuse that.

Even the faux medieval "European" settings bear no resemblance to any real European culture in any historical period. When was the last time you saw a faux European fantasy setting with believable countries distinguished by cultures, languages, fashions, etc?

Even A Song of Ice and Fire, which gets attention for being grimdark, is terrible when it comes to distinguishing cultures and countries. I have no idea what the cultural difference between the Northern and Southern cultures is, much less the cultural difference between individual southern countries. A continent the size of South America all speak the same language with no dialectical variation. ASOIAF is overrated. It's grimdark melodrama, sure, but the worldbuilding is shit.

The four nations in Avatar: The Last Airbender are better distinguished, and that's a children's show. They're distinct enough that they would make great sides in an RTS. Which IMO is the standard by which worldbuilders should set their cultures: your countries should be immediately visually distinguishable as sides in an RTS game.

Watching youtube videos about historical fashions (for example) is mindblowing. You wouldn't know that level of cultural diversity existed from reading the fantasy genre.

At least be honest and state your campaign world map is "The Only Fantasy World Map" or "The Dangerlands". The sheer absurdity of those maps is at least funny, in a Discworld esque fashion.

On a related note, would anybody be interested in a Stargate-inspired fantasy setting where many planets with wildly different human cultures are connected by gates?

Is it me or that "The only fantasy World Map" seems to be a Meme of Golarion the world setting for Pathfinder :p

A Stargate style Fantasy setting has merit.  

I enjoyed Spelljammer myself.   Its how I linked my old Greyhawk campaign to the Forgotten Relams campaign.   Fun times :)
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Krugus

#69
April 12, 2020, 11:54:00 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1126611I looked at the product page on DTRPG, and immediately in the comments somebody was calling you a misogynistic homophobic fascist.

It doesn't make sense that somebody who can appreciate foreign cultures and engages in a genuinely respectful form of cultural appropriation to produce Arrows of Indra would be a fascist. Historically fascists were opposed to cultural exchange because it promotes the sharing of ideas and knowledge, which naturally leads to more open-mindedness and scientific progress.

NPC's are gonna NPC

Its the only dialog they have been programmed with so what else can they say..... quite sad really.
Common sense isn't common; if it were, everyone would have it.

Omega

#70
April 13, 2020, 03:01:50 AM
Yep. You are a horrible person because they hallucinate you a horrible person.

Nerag

#71
April 13, 2020, 07:34:21 AM Last Edit: April 13, 2020, 07:38:51 AM by Nerag
You guys spend a lot of time stroking your hate boners for people you claim to hate. Is anyone going to do something game related and write something about Al-Quadim or is this a recruitment thread?

Omega

#72
April 13, 2020, 10:16:45 AM Last Edit: April 13, 2020, 10:20:26 AM by Omega
Quote from: Nerag;1126692You guys spend a lot of time stroking your hate boners for people you claim to hate. Is anyone going to do something game related and write something about Al-Quadim or is this a recruitment thread?

No. We all sit around waiting for someone to drive by defend these nuts.

And there so far seems nothing much more to say other than discuss some of the other Arabian Knights themed settings and adventures out there. I mentioned the one for BX/BECMI for example.

Wasnt there one for Runequest?

tenbones

#73
April 13, 2020, 10:25:47 AM
Quote from: Nerag;1126692You guys spend a lot of time stroking your hate boners for people you claim to hate. Is anyone going to do something game related and write something about Al-Quadim or is this a recruitment thread?

I did write some stuff for Al-Qadim. Now I get to stroke my boner!

Seriously - I have so much stuff to do these days, the idea of going back to write content for Al-Qadim is a luxury I can't quite afford. If my players *reeeeeaaalllly* pressed me to do some Arabian-flavored stuff, I'd definitely consider running it Savage Worlds.

Running it native in 2e? That would likely open up a whole box of worms all on its own. "2e? Let's do where is not Al-Qadim!!" screeched the players!

VisionStorm

#74
April 13, 2020, 11:39:59 AM
Quote from: tenbones;1126712Running it native in 2e? That would likely open up a whole box of worms all on its own. "2e? Let's do where is not Al-Qadim!!" screeched the players!

If I'm gonna have to suffer 2e I'd vote Dark Sun. :D

In fairness I never actually played Al-Quadim. All I ever got was the City of Delights supplement with the sexy cover, rwar!

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