Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 13, 2023, 06:19:08 PM

Quote from: Thor's Nads on May 13, 2023, 05:39:37 PM
The only limit will be user's imagination.

I've tried using ChatGPT to write fiction and for brainstorming. It's been completely useless to me

And I've written hundreds of pages, and more, with the aid of AI, and have published it.

You have to have an idea of what you want to say, do a lot of writing yourself, work with the AI to generate useful text, and edit the outputs. The analogy being you can get to the store faster on a bike than on foot, but you still have to pedal. It is still work, it doesn't automagically produce publishable text.

Quote from: Thor's Nads on May 13, 2023, 07:27:25 PM

Quote from: THE_Leopold on May 13, 2023, 07:50:11 AM
which is 100% where AI art comes in.  Instead of a nebulous concept you have a "I like this picture but make the sword bigger and give him green eyes and a horn on his head". A world where 95% of the work is done and now it's a matter of curation instead of invention.

One of the running jokes among artists has been "AI requires clients to write a clear description of what they want. We're safe."

Having done thousands of illustrations for clients I can tell you, very few of them know what they want. Part of the job of an illustrator is to interact with the client and figure out what they really want.

We make the same joke about AI software. "It needs to have thousands of statistical options. But be simple enough for a biologist to use."

Quote from: Thor's Nads on May 13, 2023, 07:34:12 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 13, 2023, 06:19:08 PM

Quote from: Thor's Nads on May 13, 2023, 05:39:37 PM
The only limit will be user's imagination.

I've tried using ChatGPT to write fiction and for brainstorming. It's been completely useless to me

And I've written hundreds of pages, and more, with the aid of AI, and have published it.

You have to have an idea of what you want to say, do a lot of writing yourself, work with the AI to generate useful text, and edit the outputs. The analogy being you can get to the store faster on a bike than on foot, but you still have to pedal. It is still work, it doesn't automagically produce publishable text.

I finally caved and started using Bard* a few days ago to try it out. Told it to write me an urban fantasy story based on a few setting parameters I specified. It gave something simple that served as an OK starting point for a broader story about young woman discovering she had magic powers.

Decided to give it a few edits and expand on a couple of parts to add a bit more dialog and details. Now I'm suddenly caught up writing the whole thing, going back to Bard occasionally for proofreads and bouncing off ideas to continue expanding on it. They're not always what I'm looking for, but it helps keep me on track or inspire other ideas about what I really do want, and I just drop what I don't need or change it. Still in the starting stages though.

"tried ChatGPT first, but kept getting told it was unable to create an account or whatever, so I gave up.

If it can be used for NSFW/porn applications, it's here to stay.  The rest is semantics after that.

Quote from: weirdguy564 on May 13, 2023, 09:07:26 PM
If it can be used for NSFW/porn applications, it's here to stay.  The rest is semantics after that.

Yup, just ask VHS.

Quote from: Grognard GM on May 13, 2023, 09:11:10 PM

Quote from: weirdguy564 on May 13, 2023, 09:07:26 PM
If it can be used for NSFW/porn applications, it's here to stay.  The rest is semantics after that.

Yup, just ask VHS.

I get the joke, but really that's a great example.  VHS created a whole industry, then improved to DVD, then to BlueRay, and now streaming sites.  It didn't die.  It evolved and got better and easier.

Quote from: weirdguy564 on May 13, 2023, 09:24:18 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on May 13, 2023, 09:11:10 PM

Quote from: weirdguy564 on May 13, 2023, 09:07:26 PM
If it can be used for NSFW/porn applications, it's here to stay.  The rest is semantics after that.

Yup, just ask VHS.

I get the joke, but really that's a great example.  VHS created a whole industry, then improved to DVD, then to BlueRay, and now streaming sites.  It didn't die.  It evolved and got better and easier.

No I was being 100% genuine in my statement. Most people had their money on Betamax winning the format war, but the porn industry going with VHS made them the winner.

Hollywood and...Hornywood? I guess porn is just a sub category of Hollywood. Anyway, they're going to invest massively in A.I. The rest of the technology will benefit from that investment, much like digital art did.

I foresee a time, maybe a decade off, where people are able to use jailbroken A.I to make new songs by their favorite band, movies with their own choice of cast, finish the game Of Thrones books, you name it.

The music lobby killed any decent music AI. It's not a comparable situation

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 14, 2023, 05:11:58 AMThe music lobby killed any decent music AI. It's not a comparable situation

I dunno... the AI generated techno type stuff sounds pretty identical to "real" electronic music. Well, by identical I mean like the AI art.. it is still primitive in its duplication... but that is just temporary. I have also heard some pretty interesting AI gen "classical" music...

AI is a tech that is changing the world. Like mobile phones, the internet or the transistor or w/e. No one knows were it is going, but this "art gen" stuff is like a really public tip of an iceberg.  When great grandkids are born, they will not even understand the wold before AI. "What? You all didn't have personalised tutors for school?! You sat in a room with 20 people and listened to one person teach at the dumbest students level?!! wtf"

Quote from: Grognard GM on May 13, 2023, 11:48:31 AM


No, one can not simply learn to draw, at least not to the level people are discussing here. Don't be a troll.

Actually, anyone can learn to draw proficiently.  The book Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain is all you need, and some time to invest into drawing.

My wife has been using Perplexity AI https://www.perplexity.ai/ for a while as a search engine for pop culture she is unfamiliar with and to do stuff like look for celebrities with blond hair and green eyes. (For reference pictures while writing.) She was showing it to me. I like it because the results have links to the source.

We found new, cooler stuff to do with it.

For writing, my wife has trouble picking names. Asking Perplexity AI for first names popular in a particular country in the 1800s worked great. As did asking for surnames related to a particular field of endeavor. She didn't realize it would work so well. I've either lost my job picking names, or I've made myself more efficient, depending on how well she processes the new results.

For programming, we asked Perplexity AI how to get a column of data from a dataframe in R. It gave half a dozen or more methods, with sample code and a relevant link. And the first two methods were the IMO most common methods.

Quote from: Cathode Ray on May 14, 2023, 07:37:32 AM
Actually, anyone can learn to draw proficiently.  The book Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain is all you need, and some time to invest into drawing.

Time is the hard part, but I'll have to ask my local library to send a copy of that book my way.

Quote from: weirdguy564 on May 13, 2023, 09:24:18 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on May 13, 2023, 09:11:10 PM

Quote from: weirdguy564 on May 13, 2023, 09:07:26 PM
If it can be used for NSFW/porn applications, it's here to stay.  The rest is semantics after that.

Yup, just ask VHS.

I get the joke, but really that's a great example.  VHS created a whole industry, then improved to DVD, then to BlueRay, and now streaming sites.  It didn't die.  It evolved and got better and easier.

Unless you really like a show and the streaming site has either dropped it or gone out of business, then you have to see if you can find it on DVD.

Quote from: Cathode Ray on May 14, 2023, 07:37:32 AM

Quote from: Grognard GM on May 13, 2023, 11:48:31 AM


No, one can not simply learn to draw, at least not to the level people are discussing here. Don't be a troll.

Actually, anyone can learn to draw proficiently.  The book Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain is all you need, and some time to invest into drawing.

Drawing is a surprisingly learnable skill. I teach art at a University. We get students who can't draw a stick figure, and by the time they graduate are pretty amazing draughtsmen. Those that apply themselves that is.

Quote from: Thor's Nads on May 15, 2023, 03:15:02 AM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on May 14, 2023, 07:37:32 AM

Quote from: Grognard GM on May 13, 2023, 11:48:31 AM


No, one can not simply learn to draw, at least not to the level people are discussing here. Don't be a troll.

Actually, anyone can learn to draw proficiently.  The book Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain is all you need, and some time to invest into drawing.

Drawing is a surprisingly learnable skill. I teach art at a University. We get students who can't draw a stick figure, and by the time they graduate are pretty amazing draughtsmen. Those that apply themselves that is.

Greetings!

Thor's Nads, you are an Art Professor??? That's awesome, man! When I was in college, I took some Drawing and Painting classes. I loved those classes, too. Very chill, relaxing, and fun! My Art Professor was this old, white-bearded dude, pretty Conservative, too! (Shocking, I know!). He was very good, kind, generous, and funny as Hell, too. I really enjoyed learning the basics of drawing and painting!

As an aside, I also got to take this really cool "Art Lab" class, for a couple of units. It was like, three hours a week, or we could always do more, and we could just go there, sign in for credit, and work on our art projects. Very cool class. I had a classmate--this really cool girl--that came the same times I did. She would crank this up on her CD player--



and this;


We would usually just be us together, drinking soda, listening to her Enigma album over and over while we painted. It felt like one of the most magical and relaxing classes I was able to attend. No politics, no debating, no stupid classmates running their mouths, or boring lectures from professors. Just her and myself, and occasionally a different staff Art Professor would regularly check up on us, providing supervision, guidance, and just being cool.

I miss those art classes.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK