I'm going to chalk this one up to my wife's over active imagination, and obsession with all things Harry Potter. 

She was curious, and asked me to type in Mage.Space, "Maggie Smith in armor."   

This is the one and only result.  I'm both impressed, and weirded out by the result. 

Quote from: Zelen on May 04, 2023, 03:31:41 PM

Quote from: Rhymer88 on May 04, 2023, 09:26:40 AM
A lot of the art in indie RPGs is pretty crappy, so the use of AI images can only be beneficial. Obviously, major publishers will never use AI-generated images as long as they can't copyright the art.

There's zero chance that if, for example, Disney wants to start making AI-generated content, that we won't see rulings that protect corporate interests.

Yes, the power of lobbyists can't be discounted in the long run. However, this probably won't happen anytime soon, in part because the upcoming EU regulations look to be very restrictive. One mitigating factor for corporations is that full compliance won't be required of companies until 2025 or later, as the following article points out:

https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/28/23702437/eu-ai-act-disclose-copyright-training-data-report 

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 04, 2023, 06:02:58 PM
On the other hand, AI art could just be a gimmick that will die out in 2-5 years and everyone will have egg on their face

It will be an in-between results.

Basically, the current technology build on the work that made facial and voice recognition so successful that they are ubiquitous .... for certain applications.

Like for time clocks for punching into work and phone answering systems.

What the current round does is extend this to generalized video, audio, and text pattern recognition. Its main use is to allow us to do more with the time we have. Basically functioning as an ultimate assistant. But an assistant that is a total idiot in terms of how life works. So to be truly useful folks still need to be in the loop to tweak things and polish up the results. 

For example the barbarian in an earlier post with misaligned leather buckles. 

All of the bad uses mentioned thus far are bullshit, and sometimes illegal things that people do already. Making knockoff works, impersonation with intent to fraud, and so on. The challenge is its ability to extend productivity encompassing doing bad things as well as more normal applications.

But just like we had to adjust to folks in control of two-ton battering rams (cars)  flying around town on roads. We will figure this one out too. For a small taste of what happened in the early 20th century.
https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/when-cities-treated-cars-as-dangerous-intruders/

The thing to keep in mind once the initial shock passes, the folks with talent will be able to do far more with their time with this technology. The folks who solely rely on this tech will produce obvious crap riddled with nonsense, hallucinations, and inconsistency.

This tech will also greatly lower the barriers for entry for folks without the capital or connection to pursue traditional methods. The young, marginalized groups, the poor and so on.

But again like the spread of automobiles, we will need to figure out how to deal with this in a way that is fair and equitable.

Quote from: estar on May 05, 2023, 10:04:06 AM


But again like the spread of automobiles, we will need to figure out how to deal with this in a way that is fair and equitable maximimum profitable.

FTFY

Quote from: weirdguy564 on May 04, 2023, 10:01:11 PM
Its generally successful if it works.  AI art isn't some pipe dream that could work. I think we just showed it's already working.  That means it's here to stay. 

How much it gets used is to be seen.  It's got limits.  Still, I'm thinking of using it if I ever write my own RPG.

It works and produces impressive output for easy and simple input. It's going to be everywhere. Things that are easy and cheap to make become ubiquitous and end up being viewed as common and boring. The internet is absolutely filled with photos because they are so easy to create. The first digital photos were marvels. Now, it's so commonplace that only the really good ones get attention.

Imagine if all the internet's photos were free to use. I write a book and fill it with free photos. What's the point of including photos like that? It's background noise.

On the same token, when photography was first invented, people feared it would destroy painting. We still have painting. Creating, viewing, or owning a painting are experiences that cannot be replaced by a photograph. The change the occurred is that painting is much less used for mundane things, like family portraits. The same applies to AI art. It will eat the mundane use of art, but stuff that people pay for and take pride in (as creator or viewer or collector) will remain.

Quote from: rytrasmi on May 05, 2023, 11:01:24 AM

It works and produces impressive output for easy and simple input. It's going to be everywhere.

Hemp. It's a sturdy plant, it can survive everywhere, needs no care, grows fast, you can get more stuff from hemp than a pig, no waste, so damn useful that the previous century somebody patented a car made 100% from hemp, fueled by hemp oil.
Guess what, the plant is banned almost everywhere on the planet. Open and close as many round brackets you need.

Quote from: rytrasmi on May 05, 2023, 11:01:24 AM
when photography was first invented, people feared it would destroy painting. We still have painting. Creating, viewing, or owning a painting are experiences that cannot be replaced by a photograph. The change the occurred is that painting is much less used for mundane things, like family portraits. The same applies to AI art. It will eat the mundane use of art, but stuff that people pay for and take pride in (as creator or viewer or collector) will remain.

WHen cgi animation came around, people thought it would destroy traditional animation.

And it did. 

Quote from: Hixanthrope on May 03, 2023, 03:21:42 AM
Has there ever been a greater tool for the indie rpg publisher than AI art? If you are opposed to it, do you understand how it works?
1. AI art uses 0.01% of reference images, generating never before seen things.
2. The line between photoshop effects and image generation is very very blurry.
3. It looks pretty cool.

I'm not opposed to it per se, but I am against terrible AI art like this image you posted. And that is the biggest threat. People with no taste flooding the market with gawdawful images and devaluing the art field.

btw. I'm a pro artist (like M:tG cards, official D&D art, worked for many big studios, not some rando who thinks he's an artist because his mom put his drawings on the fridge) and I'm not particularly for or against it, but my fellow artists are having conniption fits over it. To the point they are filing lawsuits, working with the government to heavily regulate it, organizing protests, and so on.

I made an experimental product illustrated with AI art way back when it first came widely available. As far as I know the first AI illustrated book on DriveThru. https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/401377/Saints-Gods-and-Relics

I have an advantage in that I have the eye to generate and select good AI art and the skill to edit AI images. It could be a way to increase productivity.

Quote from: Thor's Nads on May 06, 2023, 01:39:21 AM

Quote from: Hixanthrope on May 03, 2023, 03:21:42 AM
Has there ever been a greater tool for the indie rpg publisher than AI art? If you are opposed to it, do you understand how it works?
1. AI art uses 0.01% of reference images, generating never before seen things.
2. The line between photoshop effects and image generation is very very blurry.
3. It looks pretty cool.

I'm not opposed to it per se, but I am against terrible AI art like this image you posted. And that is the biggest threat. People with no taste flooding the market with gawdawful images and devaluing the art field.

To play Devil's Advocate here, the market is already full of god awful artists cranking out crap. Search online for an artist to draw your rpg group, and there is plenty of work that looks like a semi-talented child drew it. At least A.I. crap is free, often even shitty artists charge (relatively) a lot.

I appreciate how artists feel, I write well, and A.I. is going to make writers a thing of the past too. All we can do is share a glass, while human creativity has its last days in the sun.

Quote from: Grognard GM on May 06, 2023, 03:11:58 AM
To play Devil's Advocate here, the market is already full of god awful artists cranking out crap. Search online for an artist to draw your rpg group, and there is plenty of work that looks like a semi-talented child drew it. At least A.I. crap is free, often even shitty artists charge (relatively) a lot.

I appreciate how artists feel, I write well, and A.I. is going to make writers a thing of the past too. All we can do is share a glass, while human creativity has its last days in the sun.

ChatGPT is better at generating quality text that can be used in a product, than Midjourney/Stable Diffusion are at creating art that can be used in a product. I occasionally hire freelance writers to help out with projects, I don't feel the need to do that as much now with ChatGPT able to fill in much of the text I need with a little bit of direction and editing.

As for the quality of art, I don't know how anyone can look at what has happened in the field of art over the past 25 years and not be amazed at the incredible increase in the quality of amazing art being generated. M:tG, video games, and CG driven movies created a huge market for fantasy and sci-fi art, and the digital tools have made the average pro artist able to generate fantastic images.

But AI art fools people into thinking it is good art, because it captures much of the surface quality of good art. But look at most AI images for long and they start falling apart.

I'm liking AI art myself.

I do also have some experience doing art myself, but in my case it is for 3D graphics.  I'm getting a lot of requests to do models for 3D printing, which is yet another new tech that is changing the game, sometimes literally. 

Again, awesome images that took no effort to produce.  Emma Watson knight, some evil armored guys, and another Olivia Wilde knight.

Midjourney has re-enabled free acess for a bit if you want ot test it out.. it is very good imo.

Quote from: weirdguy564 on May 06, 2023, 04:26:47 AMI'm liking AI art myself.

I do also have some experience doing art myself, but in my case it is for 3D graphics.  I'm getting a lot of requests to do models for 3D printing, which is yet another new tech that is changing the game, sometimes literally.

3D Meshes are next... papers are coming out in streams. AI Generated 3D Models, or 3D models made from single 2D art will be a HUGE thing.

The more I reflect on it, this all really is about quality. Most AI art is pretty flawed, but it isn't less flawed than most of what humans produce, it's just flawed in a different way. And it will get better. Also, I'm willing to crawl through 1000 images of AI art to find the good pieces in a pile of 90% crap. I'm not willing to pay a human who produces 50% crap.

That's what artists are up in arms about. Most of them aren't very good. They're not terrible, but they're not very good. Not everyone gets to follow their dreams and pursue their passion, most of us need to suck it up and become auto mechanics.

I mentioned DTRPG will soon be flooded by AI.

Just noticed DMS Guild is ALREADY doing that.

Which is odd, since publishing there allows you to use WotC art.

This is todays bestseller under $5. (MJ + Photoshop)

If you have played CoS, I think you`ll like he image - I did.

Come to think of it, maybe one could a quick buck there... The bar for both 5e and AI is not high...

Quote from: Eric Diaz on May 06, 2023, 01:22:19 PM
I mentioned DTRPG will soon be flooded by AI.

Just noticed DMS Guild is ALREADY doing that.

Which is odd, since publishing there allows you to use WotC art.

This is todays bestseller under $5. (MJ + Photoshop)

If you have played CoS, I think you`ll like he image - I did.

Come to think of it, maybe one could a quick buck there... The bar for both 5e and AI is not high...

That looks damn good for AI art considering the hands look natural.