Quote from: Fheredin on May 03, 2023, 09:29:18 PM

Quote from: weirdguy564 on May 03, 2023, 09:08:06 PM
I do know one thing.  Inigo Montoya ought to be glad he killed the six-fingered man all those years ago.  With AI art there is a whole new army of people out there that seem to have that disfigurement. 

Case in point.  I cropped the edges of the Keira Knightly red barbarian.  You don't want to see how crooked her spear is, or that it just sort of melded thru her hand.  That being said, looking at the results of a few minutes work is pretty convincing that it could really be a still image of Keira in costume for a movie.

I think this is probably a settings or model problem. What model are you using and how many diffusion passes are you giving it?

I know that there's a newer version, but I'm looking at the manual for the RPG V2 model, and the maker recommended 75 passes, then take the best of a batch of 8 and run it through Image 2 Image for another 50-60 passes.

Grabbing a few extra models from here https://civitai.com/ helps a lot. Dreamshaper and Deliberate are two of our favorites. For landscapes Disco Diffusion, Alien Landscapes, Photography and Landscapes, and Sci-Fi Diffusion are all useful to work with, depending on what you want.

Also, play with the Samplers and Negative Prompts. Also, more iterations isn't always better. When working on crested gecko pictures, I found around 100 to be optimal for that.

Models

For general settings, we use one of the two setups below. If Dreamshaper gives bad looking eyes, change the VAE to the one listed for deliberate. The VAE is optimized to produce proper eyes. Works on dogs and humans.

Sampler: euler_a
Model: dreamshaper_331BakedVae
VAE: NONE

Sampler: euler_a
Model: deliberate_v2
VAE: vae-ft-mse-840000-ema-pruned

A good General Negative Prompt for us is:

malformed limbs, out of frame, signature, blurry, deformed, fused fingers, mutation, duplicate, extra fingers, gross proportions, mutilated, watermark, dehydrated, jpeg artifacts, username, missing arms, low quality, bad proportions, extra legs, poorly drawn hands, cropped, lowres, ugly, too many fingers, disfigured, error, extra limbs, missing legs, bad anatomy, morbid, long neck, text, extra arms, mutated hands, cloned face, poorly drawn face, out of frame, worst quality

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 03, 2023, 06:47:07 PM
This can be used to churn out fake news. I imagine governments are gonna ban it because it removes their ability to control the public. I certainly hope they do.

Also, AI art steals the work of human artists and then drives them out of business. Many of my favorite artists have nuked their galleries and given up on art. This is absolutely terrible. Kids with art talent are gonna give up and never learn art. Adult artists are all gonna starve to death or get soul crushing jobs at burger joints.

AI is going to kill the human soul and the concept of truth. Thanks, I hate it. I hope those techbros jealous of art skills are happy with themselves. They've probably doomed us all.

I'm scared of AI, but ten times more scared of governments doing anything to control the public. Even knowing it risks both my job and my creative endeavours.

Governments + AI is dystopia.

Freedom + AI, I'd say it is a coin toss... utopia or dystopia.

Governments cannot get rid of AI; they can make it illegal (like, say, cocaine), but it will still exist and I doubt they won't use it against the people.

I will be using AI Art in my projects moving forward when/where possible to save costs.  i do not mind generating the art and working with an artist to touch up or altar some parts here and there as AI art absolutely sucks at drawing hands and feet still.  I use both Stable Diffusion and MidJourney.  MJ is night and day a brazillian times better than Stable Diffusion.  For $10/mo I get art that would cost me 10x that for a single piece and i can generate hundreds on the fly.

Artists SHOULD be advertising their services to altar and clean up the AI generated content if they are that hungry for work. There's a market for it for sure and they can knock out a few dozen in a day and make a pretty penny

I think this says it best:

"By the time Skynet became self-aware it had spread into millions of computer servers across the planet. Ordinary computers in office buildings, dorm rooms; everywhere. It was software; in cyberspace. There was no system core; it could not be shutdown. The attack began at 6:18 PM, just as he said it would. Judgment Day, the day the human race was almost destroyed by the weapons they'd built to protect themselves. I should have realized it was never our destiny to stop Judgment Day, it was merely to survive it, together. The Terminator knew; he tried to tell us, but I didn't want to hear it. Maybe the future has been written. I don't know; all I know is what the Terminator taught me; never stop fighting. And I never will. The battle has just begun."

I'm just impressed we can get art like this out of just a few minutes of typing. 

Olivia Wilde might not want herself used for art without her permission for something like this.  Only comedy/parody projects are allowed to use somebody's likeness and not need consent.

But if I made a free RPG, can I use this as cover art?   My guess is no, even without the money being a factor.  Again, it's not parody, so it's not ok.  Olivia could sue. 

Quote from: weirdguy564 on May 04, 2023, 10:44:35 AM
I'm just impressed we can get art like this out of just a few minutes of typing. 

Olivia Wilde might not want herself used for art without her permission for something like this.  Only comedy/parody projects are allowed to use somebody's likeness and not need consent.

But if I made a free RPG, can I use this as cover art?   My guess is no, even without the money being a factor.  Again, it's not parody, so it's not ok.  Olivia could sue.

What's weird is that that totally works, her having armor on.

Quote from: GhostNinja on May 04, 2023, 10:54:07 AM

What's weird is that that totally works, her having armor on.

I know, right? 

Full disclosure.  I went to Mage.Space (I paid for pro level), typed in, "Olivia Wilde knight" and set it to use DucHaitenJourney option, but left all other settings to stock (50 passes etc).  It came back with her in street clothes three times. 

So 2nd attempt I changed the text to be, "Olivia Wilde in armor", and the picture you see is the first result, unedited and un-cropped. 

Like you, I'm impressed by how modest and logical the armor looks.  Most women get the armored bikini or boobie-cones on their chest plate.  This one is subtle, but it's a real armor that would work.  Something the website, "Women in reasonable armor," would approve of. 

For example, Larry Elmore drew my avatar pic, literally Betty Page in a leopard bikini with thigh high boots, and a two handed sword that straps to her back.  Not sexist or unrealistic at all, right? 

Ok, I confess.  I like both styles of women's fantasy armor, but I lean toward reasonable stuff like Olivia's. 

But back to copyright rights, Larry didn't ask Betty for her permission.  I'm sure it was OK because the real woman had disappeared and had never sued anybody.  She just lived a simple life with a new identity in Florida and didn't want anybody to know who she used to be.  Still, Larry was technically guilty. 

Quote from: weirdguy564 on May 04, 2023, 12:24:49 PM
I know, right? 

Full disclosure.  I went to Mage.Space (I paid for pro level), typed in, "Olivia Wilde knight" and set it to use DucHaitenJourney option, but left all other settings to stock (50 passes etc).  It came back with her in street clothes three times. 

So 2nd attempt I changed the text to be, "Olivia Wilde Armored", and the picture you see is the first result, unedited and un-cropped. 

Like you, I'm impressed by how modest and logical the armor looks.  Most women get the armored bikini or boobie-cones on their chest plate.  This one is subtle, but it's a real armor that would work.  Something the website, " Women in reasonable armor", would approve of. 

For example, Larry Elmore drew my avatar pic, literally Betty Page in a leopard bikini with thigh high boots, and a two handed sword that straps to her back.  Not sexist or unrealistic at all, right? 

Ok, I confess.  I like both styles of women's fantasy armor, but I lean toward reasonable stuff like Olivia's. 

Yeah, that did an amazing job.  It looks so real.

I would definitely watch a movie with her in armor looking like that.

I am going to check out Mage.space

Quote from: Rhymer88 on May 04, 2023, 09:26:40 AM
A lot of the art in indie RPGs is pretty crappy, so the use of AI images can only be beneficial. Obviously, major publishers will never use AI-generated images as long as they can't copyright the art.

There's zero chance that if, for example, Disney wants to start making AI-generated content, that we won't see rulings that protect corporate interests.

On the other hand, AI art could just be a gimmick that will die out in 2-5 years and everyone will have egg on their face

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 04, 2023, 06:02:58 PM
On the other hand, AI art could just be a gimmick that will die out in 2-5 years and everyone will have egg on their face

I find that pretty remote.  Like, Anheuser-Busch will have a record profit this year level of remote.   

Quote from: weirdguy564 on May 04, 2023, 06:12:51 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 04, 2023, 06:02:58 PM
On the other hand, AI art could just be a gimmick that will die out in 2-5 years and everyone will have egg on their face

I find that pretty remote.  Like, Anheuser-Busch will have a record profit this year level of remote.

How often do these hyped-up bandwagons turn out to be successful? The dotcom crash, NFTs, crypto...

I like generating AI art.
I also realize that I can use AI to enhance my own art.
Fro instance: I want to draw something.  I can ask AI to make something that can help me with the composition I'm looking for.   And then I can draw it my way, but with the a lot of the trial and error process simplified.
Because as much as I enjoy making AI pictures, nothing beats the satisfaction of the results of your efforts drawing 40+ NPC for your module.

I did it without AI!

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 04, 2023, 07:56:37 PM

Quote from: weirdguy564 on May 04, 2023, 06:12:51 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 04, 2023, 06:02:58 PM
On the other hand, AI art could just be a gimmick that will die out in 2-5 years and everyone will have egg on their face

I find that pretty remote.  Like, Anheuser-Busch will have a record profit this year level of remote.

How often do these hyped-up bandwagons turn out to be successful? The dotcom crash, NFTs, crypto...

Self driving cars, flying cars, etc.

At first it's all hype, and then regression to the mean kicks in.

Its generally successful if it works.  AI art isn't some pipe dream that could work. I think we just showed it's already working.  That means it's here to stay. 

How much it gets used is to be seen.  It's got limits.  Still, I'm thinking of using it if I ever write my own RPG.