AI Art in Indie RPGs

Tod13 · May 03, 2023, 04:07:51 PM

Here is a landscape we did:

And here is a starscape:

And here is a wizard/cowboy:

Not awesome, but not gruesome either. We have better versions of the cowboy too. But we're saving those for possible use later.

weirdguy564 · May 03, 2023, 04:46:36 PM

Female Barbarian art. It took 5 minutes. Yes, the first one is Keira Knightly.

This is going to be the new normal. It's just too easy to get acceptable art.

FingerRod · May 03, 2023, 06:08:05 PM

Quote from: DocJones on May 03, 2023, 02:56:04 PM
Warning: I found this Disturbing.

LOL

I found it disturbing as well

FingerRod · May 03, 2023, 06:10:30 PM

Quote from: weirdguy564 on May 03, 2023, 04:46:36 PM
Female Barbarian art. It took 5 minutes. Yes, the first one is Keira Knightly.

This is going to be the new normal. It's just too easy to get acceptable art.

Would and would.

And you are right it is easy. Eventually the .1 or whatever that it takes from will continue to shrink. What terrifies me is that my kids' kids will never be able to trust what they see, unless it happens right in front of their face.

BoxCrayonTales · May 03, 2023, 06:47:07 PM

This can be used to churn out fake news. I imagine governments are gonna ban it because it removes their ability to control the public. I certainly hope they do.

Also, AI art steals the work of human artists and then drives them out of business. Many of my favorite artists have nuked their galleries and given up on art. This is absolutely terrible. Kids with art talent are gonna give up and never learn art. Adult artists are all gonna starve to death or get soul crushing jobs at burger joints.

AI is going to kill the human soul and the concept of truth. Thanks, I hate it. I hope those techbros jealous of art skills are happy with themselves. They've probably doomed us all.

Hixanthrope · May 03, 2023, 06:50:37 PM

Quote from: FingerRod on May 03, 2023, 06:10:30 PM
Quote from: weirdguy564 on May 03, 2023, 04:46:36 PM
Female Barbarian art. It took 5 minutes. Yes, the first one is Keira Knightly.

This is going to be the new normal. It's just too easy to get acceptable art.

Would and would.

And you are right it is easy. Eventually the .1 or whatever that it takes from will continue to shrink. What terrifies me is that my kids' kids will never be able to trust what they see, unless it happens right in front of their face.

We're already there. Live pitch correction is commonplace. You can't trust whatyou hear if there is any kind of speaker involved.

weirdguy564 · May 03, 2023, 09:08:06 PM

I do know one thing. Inigo Montoya ought to be glad he killed the six-fingered man all those years ago. With AI art there is a whole new army of people out there that seem to have that disfigurement.

Case in point. I cropped the edges of the Keira Knightly red barbarian. You don't want to see how crooked her spear is, or that it just sort of melded thru her hand. That being said, looking at the results of a few minutes work is pretty convincing that it could really be a still image of Keira in costume for a movie.

Fheredin · May 03, 2023, 09:21:46 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on May 03, 2023, 09:09:41 AM
Quote from: Fheredin on May 03, 2023, 08:20:16 AM
In other words, AI art is going to absolutely dominate illustration and most artists will probably transition from illustration to animation.

It seems to me that if AI can get to dominate illustration, animation would be the next step.

It already can. The point is that you have to train it on characters. The current workflow is an illustrator training an AI and then telling the AI to animate something. Could you cut the illustrator out? Probably eventually, but in the meantime, having an illustrator means you can train the AI to do things it hasn't been trained on.

Fheredin · May 03, 2023, 09:29:18 PM

Quote from: weirdguy564 on May 03, 2023, 09:08:06 PM
I do know one thing. Inigo Montoya ought to be glad he killed the six-fingered man all those years ago. With AI art there is a whole new army of people out there that seem to have that disfigurement.

Case in point. I cropped the edges of the Keira Knightly red barbarian. You don't want to see how crooked her spear is, or that it just sort of melded thru her hand. That being said, looking at the results of a few minutes work is pretty convincing that it could really be a still image of Keira in costume for a movie.

I think this is probably a settings or model problem. What model are you using and how many diffusion passes are you giving it?

I know that there's a newer version, but I'm looking at the manual for the RPG V2 model, and the maker recommended 75 passes, then take the best of a batch of 8 and run it through Image 2 Image for another 50-60 passes.

FingerRod · May 03, 2023, 09:46:13 PM

Quote from: weirdguy564 on May 03, 2023, 09:08:06 PM
I do know one thing. Inigo Montoya ought to be glad he killed the six-fingered man all those years ago. With AI art there is a whole new army of people out there that seem to have that disfigurement.

Case in point. I cropped the edges of the Keira Knightly red barbarian. You don't want to see how crooked her spear is, or that it just sort of melded thru her hand. That being said, looking at the results of a few minutes work is pretty convincing that it could really be a still image of Keira in costume for a movie.

Scary. So could you do Keira as a goblin barbarian?

Mistwell · May 03, 2023, 09:56:49 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on May 03, 2023, 06:58:56 AM
Quote from: ponta1010 on May 03, 2023, 04:48:38 AM
'Cos after I looked at the art - the distorted coins and the dragon wing that seems to extend from the ridgeline of the beast's neck, I wasn't too sure.

It's like a Liefield piece. Compentent in seperate chunks, but the whole is awful and wonky.

That made me laugh. It was a good analogy.

Hixanthrope · May 03, 2023, 10:03:58 PM

It's not a very good Kiera, but it's a pretty good Frank
bing image creator

Grognard GM · May 03, 2023, 11:25:58 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 03, 2023, 06:47:07 PM
This can be used to churn out fake news. I imagine governments are gonna ban it because it removes their ability to control the public. I certainly hope they do.

Also, AI art steals the work of human artists and then drives them out of business. Many of my favorite artists have nuked their galleries and given up on art. This is absolutely terrible. Kids with art talent are gonna give up and never learn art. Adult artists are all gonna starve to death or get soul crushing jobs at burger joints.

AI is going to kill the human soul and the concept of truth. Thanks, I hate it. I hope those techbros jealous of art skills are happy with themselves. They've probably doomed us all.

1) This is way too big, and way too potentially game changing to put back in the bottle. It's loose, it will become ubiquitous and powerful, and society will have to adapt around it. It will have huge pros and cons, like every major invention.

2) Artists can join the line of artisans replaced by technology stretching back to the cavemen that tied flint to sticks for a living.

Neither of these points are value judgements, just a big cup of reality coffee.

FingerRod · May 04, 2023, 07:05:48 AM

Quote from: Hixanthrope on May 03, 2023, 10:03:58 PM
It's not a very good Kiera, but it's a pretty good Frank
bing image creator

Holy cow. If you squint you can see the eyes, chin and jawline though. Crazy.

Rhymer88 · May 04, 2023, 09:26:40 AM

A lot of the art in indie RPGs is pretty crappy, so the use of AI images can only be beneficial. Obviously, major publishers will never use AI-generated images as long as they can't copyright the art.