Quote from: weirdguy564 on May 03, 2023, 12:54:39 PMMage.Space

Cool... that one is pretty good!

The funny thing is while we have Stable Diffusion at home, we really want(ed) to use real artists for our author's blog and other stuff related to our books and eventual RPGs. We're using Stable Diffusion instead. It isn't perfect, but it gets the job done.

We could not find an artist we could afford that

0. we liked there art (some art styles just aren't right for what we want)
1. wasn't using AI art (infinite reworks for $25 means you are using AI art)
2. was willing to do commercial work (so we could use it on our blog and in books)
3. would advertise even a price range (yes, I know more complex pictures cost more -- are you a $100 artist, a $1000 artist, or $10,000 artist)
4. was within our price range (the people we found that we liked with prices do professional covers for folks like Brandon Sanderson, which means they are on the $10,000 end of the scale)

We spent 4-5 days looking for artists. Then said, screw it, and made what we needed with Stable Diffusion (installed via Easy Diffusion) over a weekend.

We do not wish to waste our time or the artist's time sending queries for commercial work and prices. We tried that and it was a waste of time -- either they didn't do commercial or worked every third harvest moon or didn't reply. Or were again way to pricey for us.

ETA: Oh, and don't get me started on the people with all the "No AI Art" logos and stuff, that wouldn't even conceive of doing commercial work.

Quote from: rytrasmi on May 03, 2023, 01:23:25 PM
good art makes you feel something...

1. ok but that's really subjective
2. I don't think most of the art in my rpg books really makes me feel something. The good ones may get me excited to play and give me a cool visual reference when getting immersed.
3. One of these representations of Yeenoghu DemonLord of Gnolls is AI art, you can probably tell which one, but for me, the ai pic is not my least favorite one.

Quote from: Eric Diaz on May 03, 2023, 01:09:26 PM
"Copyright infringement" is Law, not ethics, IMO - the same piece of work could be public domain or protected if you cross a border. I know my opinion on this isn't popular but I find copyright creates more harm than good.

I understand the difference.  I was just stating that AI art could lead to copyright infringement which has been talked about before.

Quote from: Hixanthrope on May 03, 2023, 01:13:40 PM
from what I understand, what's taken in 0.01% of an image. that's a shape, a line, a set of colors. If I tell the image generator to draw me a mushroom man in the style of Moebius, it looks at all the available reference material, and combines tiny parts of those images to emulate a style, in the process creating something entirely new. Reminds me of my own cerative process, when I'm writing a new adventure, a lot of times I'll watch an old sci-fi movie re-write the setup from memory. In the process I change enough and get enough things wrong to make it my own. Seems like AI art does the same thing.

If we had actual data to that effect that would be one thing.  As far as I know we do not, not speculation.

Quote from: Corolinth on May 03, 2023, 08:44:35 AM
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The AI was giving her concept art. Had she been working with a real human, this would have been prohibitively expensive.
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At the very least, this is a powerful time-saving tool for RPG designers.

You can have your entire RPG already laid out, ready to go to the printers, with concept art throughout.

It's then just a matter of turning your concept art over to an artist and saying: "Give me X".

Inside ten years, most black and white "old school" style art (That was never that technically great to begin with) will be completely possible by AI generation alone.

In the future Human art in RPG's will be done by the visibly talented. AI will wipe out the lower end of the talent scale.

Quote from: Hixanthrope on May 03, 2023, 01:44:00 PM
2. I don't think most of the art in my rpg books really makes me feel something. The good ones may get me excited to play and give me a cool visual reference when getting immersed.

Exactly.  I most of the time totally ignore the art in rpg books and pay attention to the background information and the rules.  If an rpg book had no art I would be fine.

The world is what I picture in my mind, not what some artist draws.

Quote from: GhostNinja on May 03, 2023, 01:45:57 PM

actual data to that effect that would be one thing.  As far as I know we do not, not speculation.
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https://www.paepper.com/blog/posts/everything-you-need-to-know-about-stable-diffusion/
I don't really understand everything they're talking about but this one has pictures

Quote from: Hixanthrope on May 03, 2023, 01:44:00 PM

Quote from: rytrasmi on May 03, 2023, 01:23:25 PM
good art makes you feel something...

1. ok but that's really subjective
2. I don't think most of the art in my rpg books really makes me feel something. The good ones may get me excited to play and give me a cool visual reference when getting immersed.

Excitement is a feeling. And I put the qualifier "good" in there because a lot of art is not good.

Even if you ignore feeling and appreciate art at the intellectual level and for its technical proficiency, I don't trust AI art. AI is known to be "confidently incorrect". In contrast, a good human artist will study Gnolls or whatever subject, might read about them and their history and mythology, before creating a piece. In a good piece of art there's a reason for every detail. A pose, symbol, theme, etc, is there for a reason and it can give you a greater understanding of the piece.

So, even as an illustrator, AI is going to mess things up because it doesn't understand what it's doing. It's going to give the Gnoll claws because that's what training images show. It's not going to understand that a claw can be broken. It's not going to understand that "combat" in a text prompt means that a broken claw is an interesting detail to add. A human artist would, and that makes the whole experience richer.

Quote from: Hixanthrope on May 03, 2023, 01:54:54 PM
https://www.paepper.com/blog/posts/everything-you-need-to-know-about-stable-diffusion/
I don't really understand everything they're talking about but this one has pictures

Interesting.  I will have to try Stable Diffusion out tonight.

Thank you for the information.

Quote from: GhostNinja on May 03, 2023, 02:17:49 PM

Quote from: Hixanthrope on May 03, 2023, 01:54:54 PM
https://www.paepper.com/blog/posts/everything-you-need-to-know-about-stable-diffusion/
I don't really understand everything they're talking about but this one has pictures

Interesting.  I will have to try Stable Diffusion out tonight.

Thank you for the information.

This, last I tried, was the easiest way to install.

https://github.com/cmdr2/stable-diffusion-ui#installation

I even switched from Manjaro to Linux Mint and the install still worked. (It's Python.)

Quote from: Tod13 on May 03, 2023, 02:33:27 PM

Quote from: GhostNinja on May 03, 2023, 02:17:49 PM

Quote from: Hixanthrope on May 03, 2023, 01:54:54 PM
https://www.paepper.com/blog/posts/everything-you-need-to-know-about-stable-diffusion/
I don't really understand everything they're talking about but this one has pictures

Interesting.  I will have to try Stable Diffusion out tonight.

Thank you for the information.

This, last I tried, was the easiest way to install.

https://github.com/cmdr2/stable-diffusion-ui#installation

I even switched from Manjaro to Linux Mint and the install still worked. (It's Python.)

thanks for this, I was struggling with all the installation steps. easy diffusion is the way to go.

Warning: I found this Disturbing.

Quote from: Tod13 on May 03, 2023, 02:33:27 PM
This, last I tried, was the easiest way to install.

https://github.com/cmdr2/stable-diffusion-ui#installation

I even switched from Manjaro to Linux Mint and the install still worked. (It's Python.)

Thank you for the link.  I was going to search for it myself but this makes it much easier.

Here is an image I generated for use in my latest publication. Obviously I find the output passable for use in a ttrpg book. I don't have to wait for it. I type, it illustrates, done. Primitive tech at this point, but still very useful.