It's pretty awesome that he found the time and energy to do this because it's a huge project. I was thinking of doing it, but haven't had enough time/energy. So, it's great that someone finally did it.

I can't wait for this to be finished.

2e is my favourite edition of D&D by far.

2e -- the high watermark of fantasy roleplaying.

Someone wondered if this is worthwhile because of the used book market.

a) Lots of people don't like used, grubby books.
b) Lots of people don't have access to a store that would have them. I couldn't even find a complete set at the largest game store in Canada.
c) Lots of people don't like to use ebay.
d) PDF is convenient, free, and can be printed.

Without a retro-clone, the game seems dead to most people. With a retro-clone, it's alive again -- come join the party. Some people don't see it this way, but many do.

Ah, the table describing the paladin's spellcasting progression is missing...

5 years later, I find the links presented are dead.

Even if I'm only looking for 2E-compatible monsters, having the PHB and DMG but no MC.

I'll only care if it has my favorite 2nd Ed. art in it: http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0149/6074/files/DMG_2nd_Edition_Sorceress_large.jpg?515

Quote from: Jame Rowe;8356875 years later, I find the links presented are dead.

Even if I'm only looking for 2E-compatible monsters, having the PHB and DMG but no MC.

http://www.lulu.com/shop/justen-brown/for-gold-glory/ebook/product-21832476.html

Raven, thank you. I'll look at it eventually.

Quote from: Matt;835688I'll only care if it has my favorite 2nd Ed. art in it: http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0149/6074/files/DMG_2nd_Edition_Sorceress_large.jpg?515

That is damn good art.

Quote from: 1989;410998It's pretty awesome that he found the time and energy to do this because it's a huge project. I was thinking of doing it, but haven't had enough time/energy. So, it's great that someone finally did it.

I can't wait for this to be finished.

2e is my favourite edition of D&D by far.

2e -- the high watermark of fantasy roleplaying.

Someone wondered if this is worthwhile because of the used book market.

a) Lots of people don't like used, grubby books.
b) Lots of people don't have access to a store that would have them. I couldn't even find a complete set at the largest game store in Canada.
c) Lots of people don't like to use ebay.
d) PDF is convenient, free, and can be printed.

Without a retro-clone, the game seems dead to most people. With a retro-clone, it's alive again -- come join the party. Some people don't see it this way, but many do.

A 2E clone done right (i.e. not tacking a homebrew or variant skill system on in place of proficiencies, and properly integrating kits) would be awesome. Right now the top problem with 2E as a fan is that it's spread out over two dozen handbooks, and they do indeed get grubby and unpleasant...and 2E often had more than one rule or approach to many of the additional content options that came later.

A good 2E clone needs to emulate the core 3 + account for the stuff that everyone used which made 2E so distinct (kits, priests of specific mythoi, proficiencies, all those great combat rules in the Fighter's Handbook, wild magic, so forth) and if someone does that I'll be quite happy to shift over to their retroclone instead of trying to recover the couple dozen 2E books over which the info is currently spread.

Quote from: Raven;835691http://www.lulu.com/shop/justen-brown/for-gold-glory/ebook/product-21832476.html

Perusing right now...this looks great.

(by great I mean: a great retroclone of 2E. The art is terrifying)

Quote from: RPGPundit;410930Sooner or later someone is going to get confused and do a Labyrinth Lord clone.

RPGPundit

Pretty sure thats happened allready... :banghead:

The art in that version is pretty bad.  There is also an art free LaTex version floating around as well.  One thing of note with FG&G, the spell list is probably better than the TSR edition.  I recall the FG&G editor talking about how he had to spend a lot of time working on the spell list.  Apparently, much of it was copy pasted from 1e/UA and was not revised to be 2e compliant.  I believe the entire document is OGL, so if you want to bake in some options (or in another document) please feel free to do so.

IIRC, there are also complete 2e spells, monsters, dieties and equipment files floating.

Had a quick glance over. Overall the art is not bad really. Some of the shading/colour work though somewhat diminishes a few pieces.

A glance through the various sections shows zero attempt to change the names of anything. So it comes off as more like a bootleg than an OSR in that respect.

It is though well organized and easy to read and someone put some effort into compiling all this.

Quote from: Teazia;835769The art in that version is pretty bad.  There is also an art free LaTex version floating around as well.  One thing of note with FG&G, the spell list is probably better than the TSR edition.  I recall the FG&G editor talking about how he had to spend a lot of time working on the spell list.  Apparently, much of it was copy pasted from 1e/UA and was not revised to be 2e compliant.  I believe the entire document is OGL, so if you want to bake in some options (or in another document) please feel free to do so.

IIRC, there are also complete 2e spells, monsters, dieties and equipment files floating.

I would like to know where I can find these as I'm looking for dieties.

Quote from: estar;410805How long before we see a white-wolf retro-clone. Granted there a couple of more problems like the lack of an open gaming base and that the game was setting heavy. But I bet a fan community will develop within the decade if not sooner along with developing an alt-world of darkness.

I'm not sure you'd get quite the same deal going on for precisely the reasons you outline. Whilst you could put out a system an awful lot like Storyteller provided you changed enough terminology and presentation to avoid infringing copyright, the real problem you'd have would be that WW fans tended to be fans of the setting far more than they were attached to the system itself.

For those that are keen on the setting, a generic version with the trademarks filed off would feel like the cheap imitation that it was. For those that aren't, there's been heaps of modern-day occult/urban fantasy games published ever since Vampire came out (and indeed before) - Immortal, Fireborn, Legacy, Unknown Armies, Witchcraft, Pandemonio, Kult, and so on and so on - and so there's always been a release valve for that sort of desire.

If anything, I would say that the White Wolf nostalgia boom is already here in the form of Onyx Path's 20th Anniversary lines of the old World of Darkness games (which so far I've found to be greatly superior in execution to the originals).

EDIT: Oops - didn't read the date tagline on the post. Estar gets some prophetic points for calling the upcoming CWoD revival, I guess.

Quote from: Raven;835691http://www.lulu.com/shop/justen-brown/for-gold-glory/ebook/product-21832476.html

Excellent, now I can mark my adventure "Designed for FG&G and compatible systems"

Maybe I'm just *really* lucky but within the past two weeks I have found at yard sales: 1E Player's Handbook (2nd printing), *two* copies of the 1E Monster Manual, 1E Deities & Demigods (the Cthulhu edition), 2E Player's Handbook, The Red Book and B2 Borderlands module. I paid a total of $7. I just don't see a 'market' for clones I guess.