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AD&D 2E reprints (hate thread)

Started by 1989, May 21, 2013, 01:10:07 PM

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Sacrosanct

#75
May 23, 2013, 08:54:01 PM
Quote from: Bobloblah;657061Am I mis-remembering, or are none of those pieces actually in the books?

You're not.  That's why I said finding images online is impossible so I used other work by the same artist.  Then I went in and scanned in the last image directly from the DMG.  It's by far not the worst image in the DMG.
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Sacrosanct

#76
May 23, 2013, 09:00:02 PM
Here are two more scans.



D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

danbuter

#77
May 23, 2013, 09:04:59 PM
I laugh at people who say 1e had good art. Talk about a bunch of middle school crap plastered onto the page (mainly because TSR couldn't afford to pay real artists other than Erol Otus, who probably worked for peanuts at the time). Elmore was the best artist TSR had, followed by Willingham, Caldwell and then Otus.
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Sacrosanct

#78
May 23, 2013, 09:10:34 PM
Quote from: danbuter;657068I laugh at people who say 1e had good art. Talk about a bunch of middle school crap plastered onto the page (mainly because TSR couldn't afford to pay real artists other than Erol Otus, who probably worked for peanuts at the time). Elmore was the best artist TSR had, followed by Willingham, Caldwell and then Otus.

I laugh at people who don't have a clue how Otus started working for TSR, and come up with a list that omits Trampier or Easley or Parkinson
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Bobloblah

#79
May 23, 2013, 10:29:42 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;657070I laugh at people who don't have a clue how Otus started working for TSR, and come up with a list that omits Trampier or Easley or Parkinson
I'll give you Trampier, Easley, and Parkinson - I loved their work - but Sutherland, a serious 1E favourite, is very much hit-and-miss for me.
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danbuter

#80
May 23, 2013, 10:30:18 PM
I just listed the good artists.
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Planet Algol

#81
May 24, 2013, 12:11:43 AM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;657066Here are two more scans.


Good grief, the dude is using two of those gargoyle statues that were everywhere in the nineties as his enchantment bench vise!
Yeah, but who gives a fuck? You? Jibba?

Well congrats. No one else gives a shit, so your arguments are a waste of breath.

Phillip

#82
May 24, 2013, 01:27:15 AM
Odd thing I noticed the other day, comparing a 1E PHB and an early-print 2E PHB:

1E: Only one female figure. A single illustration (representing clerics) with figures of non-European type.

2E: A number of illustrations of females, but everyone looks 'white'.

It's like they tried to portray the premier sword-n-sorcery game as one limited to a Tolkien-ish, pseudo-Nordic milieu (with 1980s fashion touches in 2E)!

I didn't dig up 3E or 4E PHBs, but I would guess (or at least hope) that in this regard they are not so bland. There are more things in the world (never mind in the realms of Fantasy) than dreamt of in the strip malls of suburbia.
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Bobloblah

#83
May 24, 2013, 08:04:13 AM
Quote from: danbuter;657083I just listed the good artists.
Ha...ha-ha...haaa...
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flyingcircus

#84
May 24, 2013, 12:42:09 PM
I had to cancel my pre-order for these with Amazon, I had all pre-ordered for about a month, then two days ago my car takes a crap, so now I have to fix it instead.  oh well...:banghead:
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Sacrosanct

#85
May 24, 2013, 01:05:26 PM
I'll say it again, because I think it's really the ultimate decider in the whole "Did 1e or 2e have the worst art" debate.

Much of 1e art is considered iconic, and very easy to find it on the web.  I don't even know who 90% of the interior artists were for 2e, and it's like finding a needle in the haystack to find interior 2e images on the web.

The internet has everything.  If you can't find 2e interior art very easily, that speaks volumens.
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1989

#86
May 24, 2013, 01:16:04 PM
I don't know man, the "Dragonslayers and Proud of It" painting by Elmore in the original 2E PHB just might be one of the most talked about D&D paintings ever. I have a lithograph of that one in my personal possession. :)

Sacrosanct

#87
May 24, 2013, 01:16:56 PM
Quote from: 1989;657265I don't know man, the "Dragonslayers and Proud of It" painting by Elmore in the original 2E PHB just might be one of the most talked about D&D paintings ever. I have a lithograph of that one in my personal possession. :)

Yeah, that's one.  The only one people ever talk about.  And it went away with the reprints.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

1989

#88
May 24, 2013, 01:52:07 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;657266Yeah, that's one.  The only one people ever talk about.  And it went away with the reprints.

Totally, man.

Benoist

#89
May 24, 2013, 02:12:28 PM
Quote from: Bobloblah;657082I'll give you Trampier, Easley, and Parkinson - I loved their work - but Sutherland, a serious 1E favourite, is very much hit-and-miss for me.

I love the cartoons in 1E.
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