Quote from: hedgehobbit;1125822But, in effect, the players used their one unstoppable game power which is to not come back to the game.

Exactly! THIS is the ONLY player's "safety tool" that matters. Nobody should waste their valuable leisure time at a game where they are not having fun. Walk da fuck away.

And yet again, every GM needs to be honest and forthright in Session Zero to save lots of misunderstanding, confusion and upset down the line.

Quote from: Jaeger;1125859Fading to black at certain moments is not that hard.

It's pretty heavy live!
[video=youtube;6bFbE8KdeVw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bFbE8KdeVw[/youtube]

Quote from: Cloyer Bulse;1125771As with all male feminists, Koebel is a creepy Satanic guy. He does creepy Satanic stuff. I have no problem with that.

Wtf?

Quote from: Spinachcat;1125864Exactly! THIS is the ONLY player's "safety tool" that matters. Nobody should waste their valuable leisure time at a game where they are not having fun. Walk da fuck away.

And yet again, every GM needs to be honest and forthright in Session Zero to save lots of misunderstanding, confusion and upset down the line.




It's pretty heavy live!
[video=youtube;6bFbE8KdeVw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bFbE8KdeVw[/youtube]

No one but me, can save myself; for it's too late.
Now I can't think; think why I should even try.
Yesterday seems; seems that it never existed.
Death greets me warm; now I will just say goodbye.
Goodbye....

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic;1125702I don't understand why people always say this shit every time someone calls out an abuser.

Because there has been too many lying bitches.  Too many innocent men with actual good character got fucked and utterly destoryed by filthy backstabbing cunts.  That is why I don't trust these stories.  Too many victims in the witch hunt.

Quote from: insubordinate polyhedral;1125730(LOL I would be so banned from RPG.net for this, wouldn't I)

Yes you would.  Within a heart beat.

That was difficult to watch.

Even without the creepy sexual assault context it would be bad DMing. (The entire group quit, QED.) Adam seems to railroad situations in a way I wouldn't feel comfortable with as a DM. I don't know if that's a problem with Adam's style or the system since  I've not watched much of his DMing nor have I any experience with Genesys. But having watched a bit more of the episode it does seem that Rocket the 'sexy mechanic' is a self insert rather than an improvised random NPC with their own desires. Adam is as excited as he narrates the action as he is in character. He also concludes the stream with the result of the assault rather than stopping two seconds earlier with the threat of an assault which would have been far better dramatically; even without hindsight. As a DM he publicly broke the trust of his players. It will take him a long time to rebuild that.

I think the idea that, since this is a robot character, its not sexual assault (while probably correct within the context of the game world's legal system) is a very weak argument. As a player, and even as a viewer of the stream, you are clearly meant to empathise with the Johnny character as a  conscious being. So even if the Johnny character might not understand the experience as a sexual assault, just as a child or someone with intellectual disabilities might not, as a player or viewer of the stream there is no ambiguity in this NPC's motivations and actions. I don't think I've ever seen a clearer example broadcast. Certainly this is a far clearer case than the Kevin Rolfe one last year.

I don't think 'safety protocols' would have helped either. I could see them working in a convention context or tournament game, but in a public livestream, content requiring such things shouldn't even be considered. The fact that none of the players thought to call a time-out, demonstrates that they were totally frozen in the headlights of this car crash. And I can imagine many groups behaving in the same way. You either freeze or you act. It's unfortunate that there wasn't at least one player in the group with the confidence to break Adam's spell over them. Watching it, felt like watching a confidence trick on the players.

That's not to say there's no room in the game for this kind of encounter. In a different situation, with a different group, I'm sure it wouldn't have caused an issue. Certainly, dramatically, it can work. I'm thinking of the scene in Pulp Fiction which works well in both the plot and as character development. Sadly, this did neither.

Quote from: Snowman0147;1126020Because there has been too many lying bitches.  Too many innocent men with actual good character got fucked and utterly destoryed by filthy backstabbing cunts.  That is why I don't trust these stories.  Too many victims in the witch hunt.

We need to bring back calumny as a criminal charge. Make this kind of false accusation and the hammer comes down on you.

Great publicity for WotC, Twitch and Roll20.

"Their little wild man just jumped the shark!!!"

Everybody & their mother'll watch that stupid video. Look at you goofballs debating one of the worst GMs anyone's ever seen.

Matt Mercer? TERRIBLE GM. Admits he doesn't know the rules to games and I mean, he's an actor paid to pretend to play D&D. But -- Mercer makes Koebel look retarded & confused.

It was staged. They weren't offended just pretending to be because if we're pretending to play a pretend game why can't we pretend to be anything? "Huzzah! I elect to pretend offense in defense of my duly-offended defender! How sayest thou?"

If WotC, Roll20 and Twitch don't drop Koebel down an elevator shaft, it's fixed. No. Their Boy'll get some Time-Off, then it's back to business.

It's stupid shit like this that makes the "gaming community" a shitshow. Now it's a monetized meta-gaming reality shitshow for the lowest common denominators in the field, sucking up to the emotionally and mentally challenged.

Narcissistic personality disorder run amok.

I am continually baffled by people actually wanting to watch other people play RPGs, much less paying for the privilege....



... I may be a weirdo, though. When I was a child I admitted to being baffled (as I remain to this day) why people enjoy watching other people play sports, rather than playing themselves.  Sure, I enjoy a 'greatest hits compliation' of NFL tackles as much as the next guy, but I'm not planning to watch an entire season of other people playing the game to get there.  Of course if D&D streaming is the new Football for Our Time, I may very well need to stop the planet and get off this ride, because... damn that's lame.

Quote from: Spike;1126083I am continually baffled by people actually wanting to watch other people play RPGs, much less paying for the privilege....



... I may be a weirdo, though. When I was a child I admitted to being baffled (as I remain to this day) why people enjoy watching other people play sports, rather than playing themselves.  Sure, I enjoy a 'greatest hits compliation' of NFL tackles as much as the next guy, but I'm not planning to watch an entire season of other people playing the game to get there.  Of course if D&D streaming is the new Football for Our Time, I may very well need to stop the planet and get off this ride, because... damn that's lame.

It's "gaming" for people that don't actually game. And for those that do and believe "this" is good gaming - then it's milquetoast casual-slob gaming that care more about their brand of tribal performative virtue signaling as part of the act than the gaming itself.

It's the "Human-Centipede" of gaming. Thanks... but I'll go play "Goodfellas".

Quote from: Spike;1126083I am continually baffled by people actually wanting to watch other people play RPGs, much less paying for the privilege....



... I may be a weirdo, though. When I was a child I admitted to being baffled (as I remain to this day) why people enjoy watching other people play sports, rather than playing themselves.  Sure, I enjoy a 'greatest hits compliation' of NFL tackles as much as the next guy, but I'm not planning to watch an entire season of other people playing the game to get there.  Of course if D&D streaming is the new Football for Our Time, I may very well need to stop the planet and get off this ride, because... damn that's lame.

There is an astronomical difference between watching sports and watching someone play D&D ; it's not even close. I went to a big name college football school, and I can tell you there's nothing like being in the stands when your rival shows up. Contrast this with watching intramural flag football. Who literally gives a fuck? Something fun to do for sure, but a spectator event it surely is not. The difference is that while very few of us can play college football (and much, much less pro), we can all go out in the backyard and toss around a football during Thanksgiving dinner. If I livestreamed a Thanksgiving game, would anyone actually be interested? Maybe some people, and we call them losers.

D&D is definitely intramural football. Anyone who wants to watch other people do something they could do RIGHT NOW is just a lazy idiot. Now, I'm not saying you cannot watch a play-through to see how it's done; that's an entirely different thing. Maybe you want to learn how to DM, or understand how playing the game actually works, I get it. But if you're using it as an actual source of entertainment, you probably need to get a life.

Quote from: Brad;1126087There is an astronomical difference between watching sports and watching someone play D&D ; it's not even close. I went to a big name college football school, and I can tell you there's nothing like being in the stands when your rival shows up. Contrast this with watching intramural flag football. Who literally gives a fuck? Something fun to do for sure, but a spectator event it surely is not. The difference is that while very few of us can play college football (and much, much less pro), we can all go out in the backyard and toss around a football during Thanksgiving dinner. If I livestreamed a Thanksgiving game, would anyone actually be interested? Maybe some people, and we call them losers.

D&D is definitely intramural football. Anyone who wants to watch other people do something they could do RIGHT NOW is just a lazy idiot. Now, I'm not saying you cannot watch a play-through to see how it's done; that's an entirely different thing. Maybe you want to learn how to DM, or understand how playing the game actually works, I get it. But if you're using it as an actual source of entertainment, you probably need to get a life.

This & that which came before via Electronic Stimulation.

You tune in to these stream and they tell you "Yeah, we don't know the rules, so all you rules-lawyers? BACK OFF! Rules are for lames, maaaaan "

So. What am me watching? A group of desperate hipsters pretending to pretend playing an RPG.

Remember Koebel's desperate giggling during his master class GM presentation? Yeah. That's the dirge of the end of quality tabletop gaming, live.

These are the children of Vincent Baker (perv) and Ron Edwards (megalomaniac). I'd wager a stack ($1000) that any GM here could easily humble Koebel, Mercer or Colville at an Iron GM event. The Story game crowd aren't in it for quality gamesmanship.

They're in it for the 'likes'. But, this too shall pass.

Quote from: Brad;1126087Now, I'm not saying you cannot watch a play-through to see how it's done; that's an entirely different thing. Maybe you want to learn how to DM, or understand how playing the game actually works, I get it.

I don't think anyone should be watching this guy to learn how to DM.

Quote from: mightybrain;1126099I don't think anyone should be watching this guy to learn how to DM.

Well, sometimes observation is more useful in learning what not to do.  Though you'd hope with some bad choices that most people could guess for themselves without the need of an example.