Quote from: S'mon;1125670Unless his ex-girlfriend there de-anonymises, I doubt her revelations will make it into The Narrative.

This just in! Ex has bad things to say about former boyfriend! Who could have seen that coming!!!?!?

What a load of crap.

Quote from: Trinculoisdead;1125677This just in! Ex has bad things to say about former boyfriend! Who could have seen that coming!!!?!?

What a load of crap.

Believe all Women!  C'mon, man! Its current Year!

Quote from: RPGPundit;1125655Things appear to be getting worse for Adam "I'm a male feminist and people I call misogynists should be blacklisted" Koebel!

These male feminists seem to have a fantastic sex life.


I am just saying.

This sure seems like a non-apology.

https://youtu.be/yYonGyQiILQ

Why is it so hard to admit when you screw up?  "I thought everyone was on-board with what we were doing.  I read it wrong.  Bottom line:  I completely f'd up and I'm sorry."  Reasonable people would be fine with that and you'd never satisfy the rest anyway.

This is sort of a place-holder... if, sometime in the next few days/weeks (whatever the pace of this sort of shitshow is...), Adam starts claiming 'Johnny' is at fault, say for lying about what she wanted in the campaign or something similar, I'll be right here in this post pointing out that I mentioned DARVO earlier...  Right now he's clearly on the Denial stage (DIdn't do nothin' wrong, minor miscommunications.. notice he blames the lack of X-cards in his apology...), next up he'll probably start attacking his detractors as Incels trying to destroy him because he's woke and they are nazis... and that will lead, eventually, to the flip.

I'd bet fifty internet bux we'll see this play out.

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic;1125582Koebel's style is to try and delve into player emotions and psychological states. If you have some phobia or whatever he wants to explore your feelings.

This is a terrible idea. And it's an obviously terrible idea to any healthy, normal person.

I don't subscribe to "Believe All Wahmens" (nor all Mens either) and exes are notoriously bad sources of information. If her accounts are true, she stayed with a serial cheater until the nasty breakup. While sad, it doesn't actually help her credibility.

Hell, it might not be Kno-balls' ex-girl either. We gotta remember it's the nasty anonymous internet where anybody can say anything and if the social media mob is primed, that narrative gets believed.

Yet more reasons to avoid Trial By Internet. For anyone. Including asshoes.

But watching the Woke eat their own is a hoot.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1125669There's no shortage of official and third-party D&D monsters whose shtick involves rape.

Which official monsters?

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1125669The standard half-orc backstory where all half-orcs are rape-babies makes me queasy.

Agreed. Half-orcs in my campaigns were cursed humans. Some humans are just born with orc blood and despised by both humans and orcs. AKA, like Shakespeare's Caliban.

Quote from: oggsmash;1125672I never understood why they dont just remove half orcs and just make em orcs.

Agreed. Palladium Fantasy uses monster races and I've always preferred that approach.

Quote from: Spike;1125673I am made worse for knowing about any of this.

Amen.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1125701I don't subscribe to "Believe All Wahmens" (nor all Mens either) and exes are notoriously bad sources of information. If her accounts are true, she stayed with a serial cheater until the nasty breakup. While sad, it doesn't actually help her credibility.

I don't understand why people always say this shit every time someone calls out an abuser. Who do you think these people abuse? Do you think they don't exist? Someone has to date them. I guess you think all those women that accused Cosby or had to suck it up because of the industry after Weinstein was done with them were all making it up? Dating someone you realized was a mistake later isn't exactly unheard of, let alone getting taken advantage of.

I'm no liberal, "believe all women" is just suspending judgment, but the opposite of "believe NO women" is stupid too.

Now let's use our own judgment. Yes, she's an ex, so if this was before this fiasco, and Adam Koebel is in good standing, it'd be one thing. But Koebel already showed he thought this whole rape thing was fine and that reveals a certain mindset -- so is it that big a leap from this to that?

Quote from: Haffrung;1125692This is a terrible idea. And it's an obviously terrible idea to any healthy, normal person.

Yeah. It can work with the right group (like maybe a theater group or something) but most people aren't even interested since they just want to play the game itself. I guess this is a trend towards the kind of games Critical Role plays, where they like to focus on the emotions of it all.

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic;1125702I don't understand why people always say this shit every time someone calls out an abuser.

1) I worked as a divorce consultant for a decade. Exes (male and female) are unbelievably full of shit. "He said, she said" is garbage as evidence of anything.

2) It's the internet. I could say I'm your ex and you spend your free time finger banging Alzheimer's patients. On the right platform, to the right crowd, at the right moment, you'd become "mAcular the Finger Banger."

That's my problem with Trial By Internet.

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic;1125702Who do you think these people abuse?

I've spent huge hours in courtrooms hearing abuse testimony. My take? Most of the time, it takes two to tango. Humans are weird creatures, especially regarding sexuality. There's often a strange circular dance between Abuser and Abused that isn't as nice and neat as we'd like to believe.

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic;1125702I guess you think all those women that accused Cosby or had to suck it up because of the industry after Weinstein was done with them were all making it up?

I live in LA and I know Hollywood. Weinstein was a total shitbag (although a highly talented producer), but the PoundMeToo crocodile tears were so embarrassing. The "Innocent Actress" routine doesn't fit the nasty sharks in this town. Many men and women come to LA psychotically desperate for fame and a willingness to do anything (and I mean anything) for stardom is quite common. Hollywood is seriously fucked up. No surprise the world's porn capital is also LA.  

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic;1125702But Koebel already showed he thought this whole rape thing was fine and that reveals a certain mindset -- so is it that big a leap from this to that?

You may be right. The mystery ex might be Truth Incarnate. We can't know either way. But a story like this at a moment like this is exactly what fires up the social media mobs. It doesn't take Shakespeare to craft a story that builds upon the existing drama to solidify believability.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1125707The mystery ex might be Truth Incarnate. We can't know either way. But a story like this at a moment like this is exactly what fires up the social media mobs.

This basically is not being reported - not on ENW, not on Tenkar's. Very different from when some ex-TSR luminary tries to flirt with Jessica Price or have an all-female D&D table and the RPG-mediasphere explodes in outrage.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1125655Things appear to be getting worse for Adam "I'm a male feminist and people I call misogynists should be blacklisted" Koebel!

Oh my god, lol.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1125651Not just a supporter/promoter, it appears Fox had a business dealing with some capacity with Koebel, as an "influencer" to run his games.

First, hilarious that Fox needs to pay people to run his game.

Second, funny how everyone who's had a Metoo-esque scandal in the hobby is a business associate of Fox, huh? He was working with Zak S too.

Didn't you make some prediction as to Fox himself getting involved in some sort of scandal?

Quote from: Almost_Useless;1125685This sure seems like a non-apology.

https://youtu.be/yYonGyQiILQ

Why is it so hard to admit when you screw up?  "I thought everyone was on-board with what we were doing.  I read it wrong.  Bottom line:  I completely f'd up and I'm sorry."  Reasonable people would be fine with that and you'd never satisfy the rest anyway.

Straight-up admitting they made a mistake and they're sorry is impossible for the narcissistically-inclined. If things get really bad there will usually be some kind of sob story where they play the victim.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1125701Yet more reasons to avoid Trial By Internet. For anyone. Including asshoes.

Funny you should say that; I know of at least one GI specialist (proctologist) that's exploring telemedicine right now. I think he's probably just trying to figure out how to mesh his work with his fascination for anal porn.

I read the reddit comments about the play session and imagined Adam tormenting his players and laughing insidiously. When I finally watched the video I was greatly disappointed (because I do love me some drama). What I saw was Adam make a Futurama style robot orgasm joke that fell flat. And as it was falling flat he laughed like some people do when they feel awkward about their joke bombing.  I don't know. To me this seemed like a non-event. I imagine it's drawing a lot of attention because of who hhe is and because he is an adamant sjw. To be honest the in play victim didn't seem all that bothered by it at the moment (blondie yes). I'm guesing her sjw friends got in her ear after the session and informed her why she should be offended and quit the show.
In the past I've enjoyed his gming advice and ideas on game design, despite the costume he wears and what it represents. It will be interesting to see if the left pardon him.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1125669There's no shortage of official and third-party D&D monsters whose shtick involves rape. It disgusts me because it is so tasteless and exploitative. The standard half-orc backstory where all half-orcs are rape-babies makes me queasy. It's doubly ironic when these publishers claim to be progressive.

This question is actually more interesting and relevant than the Koebel stuff, so I am opening a new thread for it.