ACKS is now a forbidden topic in TBP

Llew ap Hywel · July 08, 2018, 05:45:05 AM

Quote from: Azraele;1047865I can respect that. Mostly because it's also how I felt before playing it XD

But seriously, there's a lot to love. Even taken alone, the domain management is great.

I'm sure it's great if you like the class, skill, magic, race, stats....etc systems.
Happy to have spent the £15 to get the PDFs to support a designer but still hate the engine.

Kiero · July 08, 2018, 05:49:36 AM

Quote from: HorusArisen;1047879I'm sure it's great if you like the class, skill, magic, race, stats....etc systems.
Happy to have spent the £15 to get the PDFs to support a designer but still hate the engine.

Have you actually looked at the domain management rules? I mean all the stuff on modelling an economy and the structure of the society that all that implies in Chapter 10, not the character-related stuff you're talking about.

Llew ap Hywel · July 08, 2018, 05:52:08 AM

Quote from: Kiero;1047880Have you actually looked at the domain management rules? I mean all the stuff on modelling an economy and the structure of the society that all that implies, not the character-related stuff you're talking about.

Well no I've only just bought it. Can it be completely and utterly divorced from the underlying D&D/D20 engine?

Kiero · July 08, 2018, 05:56:31 AM

Quote from: HorusArisen;1047883Well no I've only just bought it. Can it be completely and utterly divorced from the underlying D&D/D20 engine?

As long as you come up with an exchange rate from "gold pieces", yes.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with the D20 system either. It's based on B/X D&D.

Llew ap Hywel · July 08, 2018, 06:02:57 AM

Quote from: Kiero;1047885As long as you come up with an exchange rate from "gold pieces", yes.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with the D20 system either. It's based on B/X D&D.

Which is the D20 systems ancestor. Nah thanks.

I'll have a nose at the domain stuff though and see if it's better than RQ Empire.

Kiero · July 08, 2018, 06:09:33 AM

Quote from: HorusArisen;1047886Which is the D20 systems ancestor. Nah thanks.

I'll have a nose at the domain stuff though and see if it's better than RQ Empire.

Either way, the domain management stuff has very little about it that's system-specific, barring the use of "gold pieces" as the measurement of currency.

Here's a worked example of that economic modelling I went through for my historical game using ACKS. I started out from some very different assumptions about how the economy would be structured, since it wasn't medieval-feudal.

Llew ap Hywel · July 08, 2018, 06:22:45 AM

Quote from: Kiero;1047888Either way, the domain management stuff has very little about it that's system-specific, barring the use of "gold pieces" as the measurement of currency.

Here's a worked example of that economic modelling I went through for my historical game using ACKS. I started out from some very different assumptions about how the economy would be structured, since it wasn't medieval-feudal.

I'll definitely check it out. I'd prefer to get use out of something I've bought.

ArrozConLeche · July 08, 2018, 09:48:27 AM

Quote from: S'mon;1047864This is the exact same process the SJWs used to take over EN World, and RPGnet before that. They do it every time. Once you give them an inch they will take everything and turn your website, magazine, corporation, charity etc into a cesspool.

The tthing about BGG is that if you see the 'likes' on the various threads, it would seem that the user base largely is sjw. Anyone who doesn't toe a certain line seems to get downvoted or just not upvoted as much. I don't know if the fact that upvotes aren't anonymous factors into that in light of how the site is moderated as of late.

Baulderstone · July 08, 2018, 09:53:17 AM

Quote from: HorusArisen;1047886Which is the D20 systems ancestor. Nah thanks.

Not really. The D20 system, with its Attribute Bonus + Skill Bonus + d20 versus a target number, doesn't exist in B/X at all.

estar · July 08, 2018, 10:29:11 AM

Quote from: Kiero;1047885As long as you come up with an exchange rate from "gold pieces", yes.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with the D20 system either. It's based on B/X D&D.

Axioms #3 goes into the details of the why's of the economics. From there it is easy to see how to plug in your own value. A simplication is that you can think of every thing as being a multiple of the value of a bushel of wheat.

Llew ap Hywel · July 08, 2018, 10:42:04 AM

Quote from: Baulderstone;1047913Not really. The D20 system, with its Attribute Bonus + Skill Bonus + d20 versus a target number, doesn't exist in B/X at all.

I'll agree to disagree on this, wasted way too much airtime on the system already.

Omega · July 08, 2018, 11:27:58 AM

Quote from: Haffrung;1047828Up until recently, Boardgamegeek had a policy of punting all political discussion on game forums to the political forum. Worked well to keep BGG a reasonably healthy place focused on gaming.

Something changed in the last year or so, because the mods have pretty much abandoned that policy.

And as I noted in the other thread, BGG is a way, way more popular forum than RPGnet.

1:Yeah its bleeding into more and more threads. This was very not the case before.

2: Theres the posted policy and theres the one the mods have been following in the shadows for years now. Its just starting to show more and more.

3: I was rather surprised to see the local boardgamers have a REALLY low opinion of BGG and this was before the SJW creeping in.

H0undM@ster · July 08, 2018, 12:34:36 PM

Quote from: ShannonA"...alongside the Westborough Church and whatever else is on there right now"

Predictable.

They've got a go-to list of terms that amount to ideological ' heresy ', and given the time, you'll be branded with all of the labels.

They call people reincarnated 1940s era German supremacist (muh natzi) religious zealots (muh westborough), flat out, but ' interpret ' "enough!" as a threat.

Its all the same with these people, they go about painting bulls-eye on people but screech ' I'm being attacked ' just for calling them on their bullshit.

I dont give two dusty f**ks about what happens to people that have frenzied one another into either/or 'good' (us) vs 'EVIL' ideological head-hunters.

The gauntlet has been cast, and they've made it clear that the terms are "us or deserving of any ill"

amacris · July 08, 2018, 12:36:18 PM

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1047853First he's very careful not to call it a legal threat outright, only that he felt it was. Then he claims RPG.NET volunteers (ie, mods) do not represent RPG.NET. Well nobody can argue with the first, but the ship has definitely sailed on the latter, especially with the off site monitoring, and RPG.NET mods do represent RPG.NET in a legally actionable way. And if they don't, then nobody can claim that anyone is responsible for the actions of their followers either, which would also be a win.

Calling someone a Neo-Nazi in an attempt to cause financial harm.

Which is unnecessary as there's already a rule against attacking designers. The only reason it's being done is to cause financial harm.

Which is an unnecessary addendum.

Was it?

Also, would you be willing to share the emails you sent Shannon, or ask him to publicly share your discussion?

Your assessment of the situation mirrors my own. That said, the post was removed, yes, and further discussion blocked, so at this point I do not want to re-open the situation. Magnanimity and all that.

Kiero · July 08, 2018, 01:25:50 PM

Quote from: estar;1047917Axioms #3 goes into the details of the why's of the economics. From there it is easy to see how to plug in your own value. A simplication is that you can think of every thing as being a multiple of the value of a bushel of wheat.

Yeah, I mean ultimately it doesn't matter what that exchange rate or equivalent is, the structure of the economics is sound.