Quote from: Dracones;1060298The problem with that is I don't think Hollywood can do it well. If anything I think movies are less diverse today than they were 30 years ago as pretty much every character is a stereotype. Will the black superman still be from Kansas or will they write him into an urban ghetto upbringing because that's where all black characters come from? And God forbid they don't cast a 6ft 5inch tall bald black guy with muscles on muscles to play the part, because that's basically the go to "black guy" for Hollywood these days.

I hope they do keep the Kansas origin story as I cannot see Superman being born from a urban ghetto. Not sure if your for or against the tall bald black guy with muscles. Yet I want the character to be. The last thing I want is Superman looking like Joe Average imo. Even in his secret identity the character looked muscular.

Quote from: Dracones;1060298If they went with a black actor that was more towards the Christopher Reeves type who's character parents were down to earth farmers in rural Kansas, then yeah, I'd be totally onboard. But I think if they went that route they'd hear a ton of flack from the SJW crowd because the character didn't meet their expectations of "black".

Well if DC and by extension Sony want their movie to make money they will ignore the SJW crowd as usually they complain the loudest while not actually supporting the cause their complaining for imo. Now if it's elsewhere style movie than they can try and pull off a Superman born in a urban ghetto. Otherwise expect the comic fans to rip them a new one and be much more vocal than the SJWs imo.

I just want to say I see the Christopher Reeves' "Superman" performance an understated, and possibly overlooked, masterpiece of acting. These genre films often start at an Oscar/critic deficit, which only highlights how much the piece had to climb to get institutional recognition.

Attempting to change the ethnicity (and therefore story) of a character in the hopes that the brand recognition built up over decades (in Superman's case, almost a century now) will carry over to the new stand-in always fails spectacularly.

1. Go directly against audience expectations (in Supes' case, they expect to see a white guy with a strong jaw, blue-black hair, and a red cape)
2. Accuse your audience of being racists for resenting having their expectations subverted and ignoring your movie.
3. Don't profit.

You know what sells? An interesting black superhero. The Blade movies did pretty well. Black Panther was a smash success. The audiences liked Storm in X-Men. They liked Jim Rhodes in Iron Man. It's not racism's fault DC has no mojo.

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The most ridiculously thing there is the SJW NPC who wrote it proudly declaring that they have a "general aversion to humanocentrism". They don't even hide how much they despise humanity anymore.

I try to be inclusive at my table, so I refer to them as "rain forest orcs" and "arid plain orcs."

Quote from: Motorskills;1060166The RPG hobby is thriving and fun, doesn't mean there aren't still things that can be improved.

Translation: "No matter what you do, or how fun your hobby is, SJWs will find a reason to attack and attempt to destroy it." Note that the same person expressing this sentiment moments before expressed the need for "diversity of authors" -- you may have written an excellent game, but if your skin isn't the right color then we can't play it.

And all the while completely blind to the utterly obvious irony of calling people who don't select their games based on the skin tone or genitals of the author the "racists".

Quote from: Zalman;1060829Translation: "No matter what you do, or how fun your hobby is, SJWs will find a reason to attack and attempt to destroy it." Note that the same person expressing this sentiment moments before expressed the need for "diversity of authors" -- you may have written an excellent game, but if your skin isn't the right color then we can't play it.

And all the while completely blind to the utterly obvious irony of calling people who don't select their games based on the skin tone or genitals of the author the "racists".

I personally can't get excited about Human differences. An Elf is way more different than any two humans.

Most SJW media assumes I care if some character is gay or trans, and I am just like "but do they breathe fire or cast magic?". It spends way too much time assuming I care about all the little bullshit and assumes I find it compelling.

Likewise though, I don't care what the author looks like or what they think. Good authors tend to be entirely divorced from what they make. Just look at Orson Scott Card, many of his stories act as counterpoints to his beliefs. He focused on making a story that people would enjoy, not pushing his agenda.

Quote from: Zalman;1060829Translation: "No matter what you do, or how fun your hobby is, SJWs will find a reason to attack and attempt to destroy it."

Translation: no matter how positive, dynamic, innovative, and expansive the RPG hobby is, the usual whiners will always find some reason to decide that their hobby is under threat

Quote from: Motorskills;1060911Translation: no matter how positive, dynamic, innovative, and expansive the RPG hobby is, the usual whiners will always find some reason to decide that their hobby is under threat

You need to learn reading comprehension.  We've always been inclusive.  We allow people like you in.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1060917You need to learn reading comprehension.  We've always been inclusive.  We allow people like you in.

Motorskills and regressives like him are all about the Narrative. Before rpgs companies and regressives suddenly became woke no player groups were ever inclusive, diverse ever in the history of gaming. To use his own words the hobby was positive, dynamic, innovative, and expansive before. To say that would be going against the narrative. Everytime I see a regressive gamer talk like that I wonder if they either just woke up in a time capsule or in suspended animation.

It's one thing if the person is aged 15-20 years old they don't have the benefit of experiencing the hobby like a 45 year like myself. If your my age and trying to make it out to be that we were never diverse and inclusive well he and those like him are being disingenuous. The reverse would apply to me you and others they want nothing to do with us because we don't support and push the regressive gamer agenda.

WotC should probably just rename Dungeons & Dragons. The name carries too much baggage from the Wicked Before Times of the world before 2012.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1060917You need to learn reading comprehension.  We've always been inclusive.  We allow people like you in.

You here that Motorskills.  Don't you feel privileged that the righteous allow you to speak?

Quote from: TJS;1061098You here that Motorskills.  Don't you feel privileged that the righteous allow you to speak?

You and Motorskills and everyone else can thank Pundit for believing in Free Speech.

Quote from: jeff37923;1061111You and Motorskills and everyone else can thank Pundit for believing in Free Speech.

Truly he's a hero of our times.

Quote from: TJS;1061112Truly he's a hero of our times.

You won't find one like him on TBP.