Quote from: Haffrung;1050044I don't think historians of the future will have any trouble recognizing this as a quasi-religious movement, and comparing it with other moral panics in history. What they may be puzzled by is why so few contemporary observers didn't recognize what was going on.

That's because the current "historians" are some of the worst offenders, when it comes to seeing what they want to see, and coming up with ways to rationalize it.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1050140That's because the current "historians" are some of the worst offenders, when it comes to seeing what they want to see, and coming up with ways to rationalize it.

History, like many other humanities, was amongst one of the earliest subjects to fall to this lunacy.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1050125My only question was:

"Few of us could pass such scrutiny. I certainly couldn't, could you?"

You quoted it, but did not respond to it. You must be preparing to stand for elected office.


For so long as the words still exist somewhere on the internet. Or even earlier; MPs here have lost preselection because a video surfaced of something they said in the early 1990s.

Oh sorry.  I only answered the bits I thought were up for question.  My comments on this forum alone bar me from office.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1049473My unsolicited opinion is that Milo is a real life shitposter.

I prefer to think of him as a performance artist whose art is intended to make part of his audience into part of the performance.

The audience is intended to watch him,  and watch the people reacting to him.

Quote from: amacris;1049831For personal reasons I prefer to minimize controversy, not maximize it.

Others may disagree, but as a businessperson myself, I agree that's the wise course. Not that you need my advice.

Quote from: Mistwell;1050191I prefer to think of him as a performance artist whose art is intended to make part of his audience into part of the performance.

The audience is intended to watch him,  and watch the people reacting to him.

So a gay, conservative version of Sacha Baron-Cohen?

Quote from: KingCheops;1050205So a gay, conservative version of Sacha Baron-Cohen?

I'd say Milo is more honest about it.

Quote from: Mistwell;1050191I prefer to think of him as a performance artist whose art is intended to make part of his audience into part of the performance.

The audience is intended to watch him,  and watch the people reacting to him.

This is my take as well.

Quote from: KingCheops;1050205So a gay, conservative version of Sacha Baron-Cohen?

I'd say Milo actually believes the stuff he says. Though he could express it with less provocation if he chose to, and does in regular interviews when he's not "performing".

Cohen delights in provocation for its own sake to make a buck. I'm not saying he doesn't point to any uncomfortable truths - but the ones he shoots for are very descended and low-hanging. There is an extraordinary amount of set-up to get to it too. That's part of the discomfort of it all.

My favorite example of this is the Paul Abdul one where he got those Mexican yard-keepers to act as human stools.

Quote from: KingCheops;1050205So a gay, conservative version of Sacha Baron-Cohen?

As far as I know, he doesn't do "characters" to hide who he is.. so I am not sure if the same as SBC.

Quote from: amacris;1049831For personal reasons I prefer to minimize controversy, not maximize it.

Then I have to say, you picked a strange horse to back in Milo.

Quote from: amacris;1049929I'm not surrendering. I'm simply not adapting the same tactics RPG Pundit uses. Keep in mind I spent most of last year full-time working for someone who maximized every controversy he could. I know the benefits and the costs. I also know it's not the only way to fight.

Well, I guess it depends on what you mean by "minimizing controversy". I tend to take advantage of any Outrage generated at me. I just don't go out there specifically provoking it by certain outrageous acts like a few others do.

Quote from: NYTFLYR;1050042"Historians of the future will have a hard time figuring out how so many organized groups of strident jackasses succeeded in leading us around by the nose and morally intimidating the majority into silence." - Thomas Sowell

Man, Sowell is just awesome.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1050544Man, Sowell is just awesome.

Indeed! I'm reading The Quest for Cosmic Justice at the moment, it seems that every page drips insight.

Quote from: KingCheops;1050048It was numerous tweets from 2009 to 2011 and included some very disturbing images as well as a link to child pornography shared by a convicted pedophile.

If I recognize what you're referring to, this isn't actually correct; the link was to a video of a bunch of schoolgirls singing the Divinyls' '80s pop song "I Touch Myself" and given an extremely bad-taste title implying it was something much worse. To which Gunn reacted, for shock-gag value, as if it had been and he'd "enjoyed" it for precisely that reason.

(The guy who provided said link did in fact turn out to later be convicted for possession of CP, however.)

This is not to say that Gunn didn't have a long history of very bad-taste jokes about the topic or that the revelation of this fact might not significantly have impacted the bottom line of the movie he was working on. But free speech, and the licit limits of private response to it through free association, are one topic; actual accusation of crime is another.