Exactly. The UK campaign was said to have a good effect. Australia and the UK are similar enough culturally that we could expect a similar effect. So if the campaign's presence made more women active, then its absence would make less women active. With all the usual results of inactivity. That's why I mentioned also the university having to abandon its free courses; by being (rightly) keen to exclude no-one we end up (wrongly) excluding everyone.

It was in any case just an example of the fact that if anyone offering some product or service must be a moral exemplar in every respect - not only in their actions now but in their public words throughout the past twenty-odd years of the internet - then we will have few or no goods or services left.

This sort of archaeological puritanism would be why so many are so keen on internet anonymity: if we dig through everything you've ever said on the internet, we are going to find several instances of your saying something stupidly offensive, and several dozen instances of your saying something which was not deliberately offensive but if taken out of context or read in a certain way will look really bad - and perhaps get you fired, or ditched by your spouse, etc.

Notably, the fellow Gunn who was brought down had himself previously condemned others for the awful things they said, I imagine this is why people went digging in tweets from 2009, for fuck's sakes. "Hypocrite! Haha!" Few of us could pass such scrutiny. I certainly couldn't, could you?

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1050022This sort of archaeological puritanism would be why so many are so keen on internet anonymity: if we dig through everything you've ever said on the internet, we are going to find several instances of your saying something stupidly offensive, and several dozen instances of your saying something which was not deliberately offensive but if taken out of context or read in a certain way will look really bad - and perhaps get you fired, or ditched by your spouse, etc.

Notably, the fellow Gunn who was brought down had himself previously condemned others for the awful things they said, I imagine this is why people went digging in tweets from 2009, for fuck's sakes. "Hypocrite! Haha!" Few of us could pass such scrutiny. I certainly couldn't, could you?

I was going to say that I'd probably look just stupid:).
Then I realized that the standards for offense had changed so much, you're probably right.

Also, I'd probably also delete my subscription to podcasts that boycott ACKS, but I've got very few such subscriptions;).

Quote from: Tod13;1049855This. The same way frivolous lawsuits exploded when insurance companies decided (incorrectly for the long term) settling was cheaper than fighting.

was a victim of one of those, my wife rear-ended another person getting onto the highway, thankfully I was immediately behind her and took pictures of the damage (while the "lady" was auditioning for a horror movie scene). amount of damage inflicted was the plastic frame around the license plate from the dealer, was broken on one side. When I talked to my insurance agent a few days later she said they brought in the car with the rear bumper all beat up and held on with duct tape. Even with obvious insurance fraud, they refused to fight it.

its also similar to retail stores refusing to confront shoplifters... everyone is afraid to stand up and fight wrongs cause they are afraid of what might be said about them.

"Historians of the future will have a hard time figuring out how so many organized groups of strident jackasses succeeded in leading us around by the nose and morally intimidating the majority into silence." - Thomas Sowell

Quote from: NYTFLYR;1050042"Historians of the future will have a hard time figuring out how so many organized groups of strident jackasses succeeded in leading us around by the nose and morally intimidating the majority into silence." - Thomas Sowell

I don't think historians of the future will have any trouble recognizing this as a quasi-religious movement, and comparing it with other moral panics in history. What they may be puzzled by is why so few contemporary observers didn't recognize what was going on.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1049994This reminds me of that US university that put all its courses up online for free, then were sued for not making them also in braille and audio for the blind or deaf; they couldn't afford to do that, so they had to take down all the material. Now, nobody has anything: equality achievement unlocked!

Hazards of unintended consequences. The American Disabilities Act is a net positive and good intentions but as with all laws that lack judgement it results in some stupid situations that end up harming society.

If the media wants to translate something into a language commonly spoken by the local population, they can pretty much hire anybody who speaks the language to translate. But if they want to reach out to the hearing impaired or the blind, as protected groups the ADA sets standards for translators and close captioning / braille that can be difficult to meet, particularly with short notice.

As a result most media ignores the blind and hearing impaired when reporting on disasters. Not because they can't be bothered, but it takes a time to caption video (can't trust computers to do it) and ASL interpreters are not as common as you would think. In a rapidly developing situation by the time the video is ready to go, the information may be outdated.
There is a lot of time involved in the certification for ASL interpreters and it doesn't typically pay all that well, so while it is not hard to find people who "speak" the language it is hard to find people that meet the ADA's standards. It is fairly easy to find someone who can translate Spanish and no requirement that if you provide translation it also has to be subtitled.

The other side is the stupid stuff you see like requiring that everything be handicapped accessible, including things like an outhouse at the end of steep rugged trail where you will never see a wheel chair. Don't matter, have to build that $20,000 ramp for a $10,000 outhouse just in case.  

This is why I hate blanket laws that don't leave room for interpretation and judgement.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1050022Notably, the fellow Gunn who was brought down had himself previously condemned others for the awful things they said, I imagine this is why people went digging in tweets from 2009, for fuck's sakes. "Hypocrite! Haha!" Few of us could pass such scrutiny. I certainly couldn't, could you?

It was numerous tweets from 2009 to 2011 and included some very disturbing images as well as a link to child pornography shared by a convicted pedophile.  It's not like it was one off or the occasional joke in bad taste it was a repeated pattern of rather disgusting comments that only seemed to end when he made the big times with Disney.  He also tried to defend himself on 4chan which is like the worst thing you can do.  Also it wasn't done in anonymity it was done on his personal, blue checked account.  You know the ones the right are disallowed due to "hate speech" like "enforce the laws on the books."

Live by the twitter sword die by the twitter sword.

Amacris is rather smart I think to not pursue his antagonists in the social media sphere.  It is a very dangerous tool that can easily turn in your hands.

You didn't answer my question, Cheops.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1050083You didn't answer my question, Cheops.

I could. What is the statue of limitations on social media job lynch mobs?

I did.  You just didn't like my answers.

Quote from: The_Shadow;1047630The worst thing about TBP may just be the boot-licking posts from the peons on Trouble Tickets threads telling mods how amazing they are.

Agreed. It's a bit throw-up-in-mouth inducing.

No halflings?

That's barbaric!

Quote from: Mistwell;1050092No halflings?

That's barbaric!

Well, halflings were eventually added in the Heroic Fantasy Handbook after much fan outcry for them. I held out as long as I could.

Quote from: KingCheops;1050086I did.  You just didn't like my answers.

My only question was:

"Few of us could pass such scrutiny. I certainly couldn't, could you?"

You quoted it, but did not respond to it. You must be preparing to stand for elected office.

Quote from: LurtchWhat is the statue of limitations on social media job lynch mobs?

For so long as the words still exist somewhere on the internet. Or even earlier; MPs here have lost preselection because a video surfaced of something they said in the early 1990s.

Quote from: amacris;1050097Well, halflings were eventually added in the Heroic Fantasy Handbook after much fan outcry for them. I held out as long as I could.

It pained me to see it happen. I almost didn't back the KS because of that:D!
The barbarian conquerors is what persuaded me;).