If RPGs aren't someone's primary focus then fighting a battle around them is a waste of the most precious resource: time.

Quote from: Doom;1049465The idea that a Jewish homosexual with a black boyfriend is a "neo-nazi" requires considerable ignorance to even suggest.

Husband, even.

They are winning on the social media front. Jason Hobbs (Hobbs & Friends of the OSR podcast) a long time supporter of ACKS who just recently did an interview in defiance has now caved, pulled the interview, and renounced ACKS. We'll see if Erik Tenkar holds strong...

Quote from: sharps54;1049881They are winning on the social media front. Jason Hobbs (Hobbs & Friends of the OSR podcast) a long time supporter of ACKS who just recently did an interview in defiance has now caved, pulled the interview, and renounced ACKS. We'll see if Erik Tenkar holds strong...

If that's true then I guess I'll delete my subscription to his podcast. No point in having my time wasted by listening to a podcast that only allows double+ goodthink and interviews only members of the Inner Party.

Quote from: wmarshal;1049883If that's true then I guess I'll delete my subscription to his podcast. No point in having my time wasted by listening to a podcast that only allows double+ goodthink and interviews only members of the Inner Party.

Of course, you could try communicating with him and trying to sway his views back toward your side of the argument before you just cut and run.

He talks about it on the 13 July episode of his Anchor podcast "Random Screed"

Quote from: HappyDaze;1049885Of course, you could try communicating with him and trying to sway his views back toward your side of the argument before you just cut and run.

Not going to waste any time dealing with him or the podcast network he's on. For Jason Hobbs and MisdirectedMark to have implemented the decision they made they've already gone beyond the point where any discussion would sway them. I actually gave them my vote in the Ennies. Wish I could take that vote back.

https://misdirectedmark.com/2018/07/14/mistakes-apologies-and-moving-forward/#comment-317

I didn't find any of it persuasive. I tried to leave the comment below, but they haven't allowed it to be posted yet.

   I'm unsubscribing from your podcast, and regret voting for your podcast in the Ennies. You put that episode down the Memory Hole when there was nothingness controversial about the content. If your position actually had any integrity you'd scrub any mention of ACKS from all of your podcasts episodes since it seems the sin is to have anything to do with Alex Macris at all. You won't do that as that would take effort.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1049832Sadly, that won't work.  They'll just keep coming at you, because you're surrendering.

I'm not surrendering. I'm simply not adapting the same tactics RPG Pundit uses. Keep in mind I spent most of last year full-time working for someone who maximized every controversy he could. I know the benefits and the costs. I also know it's not the only way to fight.

Quote from: wmarshal;1049888https://misdirectedmark.com/2018/07/14/mistakes-apologies-and-moving-forward/#comment-317

I didn't find any of it persuasive. I tried to leave the comment below, but they haven't allowed it to be posted yet.

   I'm unsubscribing from your podcast, and regret voting for your podcast in the Ennies. You put that episode down the Memory Hole when there was nothingness controversial about the content. If your position actually had any integrity you'd scrub any mention of ACKS from all of your podcasts episodes since it seems the sin is to have anything to do with Alex Macris at all. You won't do that as that would take effort.

Thanks for this, wmarshal.

The whole situation is simply the boring, real-life version of this:

Roark is widely condemned, but Wynand decides to use his papers to defend his friend. This unpopular stance hurts the circulation of his newspapers... Wynand gives in and publishes a denunciation of Roark. Wynand, who has betrayed his own values by attacking Roark, finally grasps the nature of the power he thought he held.

I'm not at all shocked at such things occurring; I expect them.

Many drama, much tears, terrible shaking of fists in righteous nerdfury.

If you like the game, play it. If you like the podcast, listen to it. If you don't, don't. Is not so complicated, my young apprentice.

Running Traveller right now. And I'd continue to play Traveller even if it turned out that Miller was a Klan member who kept half his family in his basement like Joseph Fritzl. It's a good game either way. Likewise AD&D1e.

In the UK they did a "this girl can" campaign with some instagrammers, it was very successful in encouraging young women to be more physically active. So they tried a similar one here. It turns out some of the instagrammers they paid said some stupid, racist, homophobic and offensive things at some point years ago. So they've pulled the campaign. Now less young women will be physically active, more of them will have self-esteem issues playing into anxiety and depression, and years from now more of them will have arthritis and type II diabetes. "Yes but -" Thanks.  

This reminds me of that US university that put all its courses up online for free, then were sued for not making them also in braille and audio for the blind or deaf; they couldn't afford to do that, so they had to take down all the material. Now, nobody has anything: equality achievement unlocked!

Or you could just calm the fuck down and play the game and listen to the podcast. Not everyone you know of in the world must be a moral exemplar in every way.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1049994So they've pulled the campaign. Now less young women will be physically active, more of them will have self-esteem issues playing into anxiety and depression, and years from now more of them will have arthritis and type II diabetes.

Hyperbole much? Do you really think that this one campaign would make that much difference? I think you're taking the butterfly effect to 11+ on this one.

I don't think Kyle's hyperboling. There is FAR too much "body image acceptance" (aka, gorge on corporate food!) and too little "get off your ass" being promoted to kids, teens and young adults. Kyle is/was also a fitness instructor so he's seen the misery firsthand. Also, fitness campaigns do piggyback on each other and fitness/health company marketing so the loss of a campaign does have some ripple effect. How much I don't know, but its not my field.

Is there anything in ACKS' books that justify it being "forbidden topic"?

Or it 100% about the author?

Quote from: Spinachcat;1050003Is there anything in ACKS' books that justify it being "forbidden topic"?

No, not at all.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1049996Hyperbole much? Do you really think that this one campaign would make that much difference? I think you're taking the butterfly effect to 11+ on this one.

It doesn't seem that his point was about the exact amount of influence the campaign would have had, but the fact that since it no longer exists it now won't have any effect at all.