Well, you gotta admit that Abortion Provider as a PrC is pretty stupid. The book might have some useful information in it if I ever decided to have abortion impact a modern era game, but touting that as a selling point probably wasn't a very good idea.

Grim, how could you tell it was created from a pro choice stance if it was fair and balanced? Wouldn't a fair and balanced product not show which direction the creator leaned?

Quote from: WerekoalaStill, I know McLennan had to be part of it somehow - he just can NOT refrain from lording his superiority over folks in the most Nox-ious way possible, if you catch my drift. Sometimes worse than others. I think it must be after he gets back from the pubs.

Eh well, someone let me know in private if anything amusing comes out of the twattishness. I'm not so fussed about being back there any more, they show DTRPG new releases so that handles my game advertising there and I'd rather not post on their boards if they're going to consistently be dicks. I was already banned from bitching out White Wolf products (Specifically!).

MacLennon baited me after he lead the, similarly ignorant, charge against my card game Final Straw which deals, satirically, with US school shootings and the hysteria around them (blaming computer games and the like). He brought that back up to bait me and since I'm strung out on painkillers and antibiotics it worked.

I do so hate places where criticising mods is an offence... but hey ho, back to the current controversy.

I've bought and read the product. As far as it goes it is good and IMO well written and has some good chunks that could be pulled out for use in d20 Modern games generally.

See comment above.

Quote from: James McMurrayGrim, how could you tell it was created from a pro choice stance if it was fair and balanced? Wouldn't a fair and balanced product not show which direction the creator leaned?

The author admits/proclaims his pro-choice stance, but I tend to find the pro-choice people do tend to be more equitable in their outlook and understanding the other point of view. Fair and reasonable, for me, describes the pro-choice point of view. If it had been written by someone who was 'pro-life' I don't think things would have been written as even handedly.

(Don't bite, I'm European, we're all horrible baby-eating liberals over here don'tcha know?).

Quote from: James McMurrayWell, you gotta admit that Abortion Provider as a PrC is pretty stupid. The book might have some useful information in it if I ever decided to have abortion impact a modern era game, but touting that as a selling point probably wasn't a very good idea.

Probably not, but the write-up itself has some useful abilities and pseudo-feats that could probably be ripped out and it could make an interesting character concept in a modern game. d20 rules make the approach necessarily somewhat crude and simplistic but that's a symptom of the system, not the writer in this case.

Ironically the way I would prefer to use it if I were to (heroic back-alley abortionist) is the way they caution you against.

Quote from: StumpydaveSo given the response here and at rpgnet, are we as gamers not allowed to address mature and sensitive issues?  are we restricted solely to games of fantasy and the unreal?

Of course not. And you'll find plenty of people here and at RPG.net addressing mature content.

What does that have to do with a stupid product, released by a crappy company and targeting braindead customers?

Quote from: Consonant DudeOf course not. And you'll find plenty of people here and at RPG.net addressing mature content.

What does that have to do with a stupid product, released by a crappy company and targeting braindead customers?

Well, as it turns out...

* It isn't.
* I'll have to reassess my opinion of LPJ after this.
* The people being targetted appear to have been the controversy making numbnuts who overreacted.

Quote from: GRIMWell, as it turns out...

* It isn't.
* I'll have to reassess my opinion of LPJ after this.
* The people being targetted appear to have been the controversy making numbnuts who overreacted.

Of course you think that.

One look at Postmortem is enough to figure out you are in the same boat as LPJ: Greatly lacking in talent and targeting the same kind of dimwitted audience.

I make no comment on the talent of old Grim or Louis Porter. I've not really looked at enough of their stuff to judge.

But both of them obviously enjoy controversy, and stirring shit, being Mr Super Shock Edgy Cool. "You only banned me coz I'm so edgy!"

   Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be crossed over by men with dice. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Curt? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for the abortion providers, and you curse Louis Porter. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That abortion providers' deaths, while tragic, probably saved roleplaying. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves roleplaying. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me over that wall, you need me over that wall. We use words like super shock edgy cool. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very cool gaming that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a pen, and write a d20 book. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Quote from: Consonant DudeOf course not. And you'll find plenty of people here and at RPG.net addressing mature content.

Doing well so far.

QuoteWhat does that have to do with a stupid product, released by a crappy company and targeting braindead customers?

and then you crash and burn.  Could have argued that maybe it was insensitive, or possibly badly researched (I'm guessing at these cos d20's not my bag and I've not read the product or dealt with the company), but instead you went for emotionally charged name calling.

Tell you what.  Stick to PG films and call me in the morning.

Quote from: JimBobOzBut both of them obviously enjoy controversy, and stirring shit, being Mr Super Shock Edgy Cool. "You only banned me coz I'm so edgy!"

Pfft, nah, they banned me because I'm too short tempered at the moment to ignore Darren being a tool and foolishly responded to his bait despite knowing the score over there. That's nothing to do with being edgy and cool and everything to do with being short tempered and grumpy.

Or is that the same thing?

Quote from: Consonant DudeOne look at Postmortem is enough to figure out you are in the same boat as LPJ: Greatly lacking in talent and targeting the same kind of dimwitted audience.

*yawn*
Try harder.
I think the point of the problem with criticism 'sight unseen' has passed you by. Read something of mine and then pass comment from an informed perspective and maybe we can talk.

"You cannot possibly judge it unless you've bought it, and read it cover-to-cover. Therefore, everything I produce, you must give me money for, and read cover-to-cover."

No.

Quote from: JimBobOz"You cannot possibly judge it unless you've bought it, and read it cover-to-cover. Therefore, everything I produce, you must give me money for, and read cover-to-cover."

No.

Some of my stuff's available for free here and there.
Good try though.

Ah, yes, but while we could judge that particular product, we couldn't judge all the products. After all, you did say that just because Louis Porter produced stuff other people thought ill of, didn't mean this particular product was no good.

So by your reasoning, we have to buy everything, just in case it's good.

No.