Quote from: GnomeWorks on January 04, 2024, 11:26:17 AM

Quote from: SHARK on January 04, 2024, 06:52:21 AMYes, have even more slavery. Show the slaves being crushed, trampled, and beaten down by the Masters. Naturally, many people are natural-born slaves. Just look around at our own current culture. Millions and millions of people yearning, begging, to get on their knees and serve the powerful and elite. Lots of people *want* to be slaves. They know, deep down, they are inferior, and worthless, and they *need* the strong hand of the Master to run their lives for them. These people are born for the yoke. They are like animals, needing to be trained and supervised constantly.

What the fuck is wrong with you.

Shark certainly doesn't need me to defend him, but if you don't understand where he's coming from and are somehow offended by what he said, you should probably go back to the 5e Kiddie Pool section of these boards....

Quote from: Persimmon on January 04, 2024, 01:40:53 PMShark certainly doesn't need me to defend him

And yet, here you are, running your mouth like a jackass.

Quotebut if you don't understand where he's coming from and are somehow offended by what he said, you should probably go back to the 5e Kiddie Pool section of these boards....

I'm not offended by it. I'm appalled by his attitude.

"Herr derr if you don't like the edgelord being an edgelord you're a whiny 5e crybaby"

Dude, absolutely get fucked. You have no idea what my opinions are regarding people and society, and rather than ask, you make the fucking arrogant inference that I'm a snowflake.

Shark's take on people is fucked. While I can agree with the general sentiment that most people are idiots and in need of strong leadership -- this is why I'm a monarchist and don't believe in voting -- it is absolutely not in the form of "people are animals and deserve to be enslaved." That's honestly fucking disgusting, and if you're defending that take, then there is also something seriously fucked in your brainpan as well.

Portraying slavery as horrible, brutal, and vindictive in elf-games is fine. I get he's an edgelord and I have serious questions about Shark's mental life, and suspect I would not enjoy meeting him in person, but if you want to do that shit in your elf-games, then whatever.

Quote from: GnomeWorks on January 04, 2024, 02:58:59 PM

Quote from: Persimmon on January 04, 2024, 01:40:53 PMShark certainly doesn't need me to defend him

And yet, here you are, running your mouth like a jackass.

Quotebut if you don't understand where he's coming from and are somehow offended by what he said, you should probably go back to the 5e Kiddie Pool section of these boards....

I'm not offended by it. I'm appalled by his attitude.

"Herr derr if you don't like the edgelord being an edgelord you're a whiny 5e crybaby"

Dude, absolutely get fucked. You have no idea what my opinions are regarding people and society, and rather than ask, you make the fucking arrogant inference that I'm a snowflake.

Shark's take on people is fucked. While I can agree with the general sentiment that most people are idiots and in need of strong leadership -- this is why I'm a monarchist and don't believe in voting -- it is absolutely not in the form of "people are animals and deserve to be enslaved." That's honestly fucking disgusting, and if you're defending that take, then there is also something seriously fucked in your brainpan as well.

Portraying slavery as horrible, brutal, and vindictive in elf-games is fine. I get he's an edgelord and I have serious questions about Shark's mental life, and suspect I would not enjoy meeting him in person, but if you want to do that shit in your elf-games, then whatever.

Everything Shark said was meant to lean into the joke about slavery being a noble and just institution.  It was all humor start to finish.  I've seen enough of Shark to know that his real beliefs include freedom to make your own choices, even when their fucked.

Quote from: BadApple on January 04, 2024, 03:14:32 PMEverything Shark said was meant to lean into the joke about slavery being a noble and just institution.  It was all humor start to finish.  I've seen enough of Shark to know that his real beliefs include freedom to make your own choices, even when their fucked.

I will admit that my response to and opinion of Shark in general are biased due to a few very specific interactions I've had with him that make me leery. I also have no problem admitting that I have this bias, and that it may lead to me misinterpreting what he says.

I will not offer a retraction -- because I am dubious of your take -- but I will grant that your take is possibly a correct interpretation, and so I will back out.

Carry on.

So people were very upset over my response to their "safety concerns" and that campaign is done.

Quote from: yosemitemike on January 04, 2024, 06:23:11 PM
So people were very upset over my response to their "safety concerns" and that campaign is done.

Well,  I'm sorry that you didn't get to run your game. It doesn't mean you did anything wrong, and I don't think giving in to them would have led to a functioning campaign.

What was the response from the discord admin?

Quote from: Persimmon on January 04, 2024, 01:40:53 PM

Quote from: GnomeWorks on January 04, 2024, 11:26:17 AM

Quote from: SHARK on January 04, 2024, 06:52:21 AMYes, have even more slavery. Show the slaves being crushed, trampled, and beaten down by the Masters. Naturally, many people are natural-born slaves. Just look around at our own current culture. Millions and millions of people yearning, begging, to get on their knees and serve the powerful and elite. Lots of people *want* to be slaves. They know, deep down, they are inferior, and worthless, and they *need* the strong hand of the Master to run their lives for them. These people are born for the yoke. They are like animals, needing to be trained and supervised constantly.

What the fuck is wrong with you.

Shark certainly doesn't need me to defend him, but if you don't understand where he's coming from and are somehow offended by what he said, you should probably go back to the 5e Kiddie Pool section of these boards....

Greetings!

The 5E Kiddie Pool! *Laughing*

I love it, my friend!

Some people have difficulty embracing hyperbole, sarcasm, and humour. Ahh, well. There are always some jackass morons gibbering about, right?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: BadApple on January 04, 2024, 03:14:32 PM

Quote from: GnomeWorks on January 04, 2024, 02:58:59 PM

Quote from: Persimmon on January 04, 2024, 01:40:53 PMShark certainly doesn't need me to defend him

And yet, here you are, running your mouth like a jackass.

Quotebut if you don't understand where he's coming from and are somehow offended by what he said, you should probably go back to the 5e Kiddie Pool section of these boards....

I'm not offended by it. I'm appalled by his attitude.

"Herr derr if you don't like the edgelord being an edgelord you're a whiny 5e crybaby"

Dude, absolutely get fucked. You have no idea what my opinions are regarding people and society, and rather than ask, you make the fucking arrogant inference that I'm a snowflake.

Shark's take on people is fucked. While I can agree with the general sentiment that most people are idiots and in need of strong leadership -- this is why I'm a monarchist and don't believe in voting -- it is absolutely not in the form of "people are animals and deserve to be enslaved." That's honestly fucking disgusting, and if you're defending that take, then there is also something seriously fucked in your brainpan as well.

Portraying slavery as horrible, brutal, and vindictive in elf-games is fine. I get he's an edgelord and I have serious questions about Shark's mental life, and suspect I would not enjoy meeting him in person, but if you want to do that shit in your elf-games, then whatever.

Everything Shark said was meant to lean into the joke about slavery being a noble and just institution.  It was all humor start to finish.  I've seen enough of Shark to know that his real beliefs include freedom to make your own choices, even when their fucked.

Greetings!

Excellent, my friend!

Yeah, I don't have any patience for super-sensitive crybabies. Part of me enjoys jumping on them and making them REE and cry.

Yes, I suppose I can be the mean, harsh edgelord.

I'm still not entirely certain what an "Edgelord" even is, but if people such as Gnomeworks get triggered by it, I shall graciously volunteer.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Lurkndog on January 04, 2024, 08:11:40 PM

Quote from: yosemitemike on January 04, 2024, 06:23:11 PM
So people were very upset over my response to their "safety concerns" and that campaign is done.

Well,  I'm sorry that you didn't get to run your game. It doesn't mean you did anything wrong, and I don't think giving in to them would have led to a functioning campaign.

What was the response from the discord admin?

That was the admin's response.  Players, including the admin, were terribly upset about my response to their safety concerns.  My response was that I would not be constantly rewriting the setting to account for shifting player demands.  At that point, I called the whole thing a loss and deleted the game.  With people like that, this sort of thing never ends.  It would have been a constant hassle for the entire campaign. 

So, I've never ran my "own" world. I started playing with a DM that ran Moldvay/Cook basic/expert...so we were nominally in Mystara.

But once I discovered Dragonlance, that's where I ran my games. But now that my love of Krynn has run it's course I play in Greyhawk, make it my "own" so to speak.

I'm not a Greyhawk purist. I love Sargent's Greyhawk wars stuff and so I use that.

Cheers!

Quote from: SHARK on January 04, 2024, 08:19:18 PM
Greetings!

Excellent, my friend!

Yeah, I don't have any patience for super-sensitive crybabies. Part of me enjoys jumping on them and making them REE and cry.

Yes, I suppose I can be the mean, harsh edgelord.

I'm still not entirely certain what an "Edgelord" even is, but if people such as Gnomeworks get triggered by it, I shall graciously volunteer.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Urban Dictionary:
Edgelord:  A poster on an Internet forum, (particularly 4chan) who expresses opinions which are either strongly nihilistic, ("life has no meaning," or Tyler Durden's special snowflake speech from the film Fight Club being probably the two main examples) or contain references to Hitler, Nazism, fascism, or other taboo topics which are deliberately intended to shock or offend readers.

I think another definition might work a little better.

Shitlord:  A person who basks in the bitterness and misery of others.

Quote from: yosemitemike on January 04, 2024, 02:51:29 AM
I am already getting demands for thing like the removal of any depiction of slavery or to run a different setting.  I am thinking about how to respond to this.   

Tell the offended party that if they want slavery gone from the setting, then they must do something about it in game.  Likewise marauding Orcs, rampaging giants, dragons, mostly-evil-by-default drow, and undead wizard/priests who keep their souls in phylacteries.  All must be opposed and dealt with, otherwise they will overwhelm the good people and civilizations of the realm.

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on January 05, 2024, 08:17:10 AM

Quote from: yosemitemike on January 04, 2024, 02:51:29 AM
I am already getting demands for thing like the removal of any depiction of slavery or to run a different setting.  I am thinking about how to respond to this.   

Tell the offended party that if they want slavery gone from the setting, then they must do something about it in game.  Likewise marauding Orcs, rampaging giants, dragons, mostly-evil-by-default drow, and undead wizard/priests who keep their souls in phylacteries.  All must be opposed and dealt with, otherwise they will overwhelm the good people and civilizations of the realm.

I decided to just wash my hands of the whole business.  It's my own fault.  I should have bowed out when they start talking about consent checklists.

Yosimetemime, I just saw your update.  That sucks man.  I hope you can find a cool group to play with.  Good luck.

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on January 05, 2024, 08:17:10 AM

Quote from: yosemitemike on January 04, 2024, 02:51:29 AM
I am already getting demands for thing like the removal of any depiction of slavery or to run a different setting.  I am thinking about how to respond to this.   

Tell the offended party that if they want slavery gone from the setting, then they must do something about it in game.  Likewise marauding Orcs, rampaging giants, dragons, mostly-evil-by-default drow, and undead wizard/priests who keep their souls in phylacteries.  All must be opposed and dealt with, otherwise they will overwhelm the good people and civilizations of the realm.

The problem with that is that fighting slavery will take over the game, and it might not ever end.

When I ran a pirate game, I realized that slavery could be a big issue, particularly with a racially mixed group of players, and I just wanted to do hero pirates on the high seas. So I laid down a ground rule at the outset that we wouldn't go there. It was off limits for player characters, and as GM I wouldn't go there. I also had a similar rule about rape.