A new exciting product has been release for the Cypher system

Brendan · September 13, 2019, 01:56:46 PM

Quote from: tenbones;1103822Or... its just power-dynamics meta-roleplaying. The real game is when to play the X-card and be offended for Virtue-al XP.

Bingo.

crkrueger · September 13, 2019, 02:10:24 PM

Quote from: tenbones;1103822LOL X-card?

Seriously that's some funny infantile shit. These people need to back away from the gaming table - and maybe all tables. They need to turn off their TV's, get off of the internet, go play Outside(tm) the biggest MMO ever. And get some therapy to teach them how "Adulting" works.

Now all unreality aside - this is why in my campaigns when I advertise for spots in my game I do not allow minors or spectators. If I'm GMing for kids, I set my games accordingly. Why is this rocket-science to these infantilized imbeciles?

Or... its just power-dynamics meta-roleplaying. The real game is when to play the X-card and be offended for Virtue-al XP.

DING! Winnah!

It's all about social power, control and narcissism.

Steven Mitchell · September 13, 2019, 02:18:31 PM

Quote from: CRKrueger;1103835DING! Winnah!

It's all about social power, control and narcissism.

Yes, which is why the suggestion of a need for an X-Card is a marker that the player isn't a fit for any group I'm in. Or if bad enough situation, a sign that I'm not a fit for the group. Either way, I'm not playing with player X.

So the only thing the X-Card is actually good for is filtering out incompatible players before the group starts.

crkrueger · September 13, 2019, 02:28:35 PM

Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1103840Yes, which is why the suggestion of a need for an X-Card is a marker that the player isn't a fit for any group I'm in. Or if bad enough situation, a sign that I'm not a fit for the group. Either way, I'm not playing with player X.

So the only thing the X-Card is actually good for is filtering out incompatible players before the group starts.

Yeah. It's like going to an FLGS and asking a table if this is a Safe Space. If they say Yes, keep walking.

jhkim · September 13, 2019, 02:33:15 PM

Quote from: Brendan;1103820I suspect the groups who "use the X-card" and have had "no problems" aren't REALLY using it. I think instead they are using it as a kind of magic feather for people to clutch and not actually use, or it is being used as something akin to a "raised hand".

DM: "As you enter the room you see a naked corpse covered in rats..."

[Player throws the X-card. Everyone stops and looks at her.]

Player: "I...uh... I have a thing about rats. Can we just not describe them in great detail, please?"

DM: "Okay, sure, no problem. They scurry away when the light from your torches hits them anyway. Along the wall you see..."

The problem with this is that it means the X-card is nothing more than a substitute for normal human social interaction. Its basically meaningless.

I've played in probably two dozen games that were played with an X-card, mostly at local convention games, where a bunch of area GMs use it. During that time, I can recall only one time when it was used - and the use was pretty much just like you describe. It didn't take a lot of time, and I feel it's mostly extraneous, but also not the horrendous problem that some people have characterized it as.

Armchair Gamer · September 13, 2019, 02:43:57 PM

Quote from: CRKrueger;1103835DING! Winnah!

It's all about social power, control and narcissism.

Wait, I thought objecting to this kind of stuff was about social power, control and privilege?

(I haven't read the product, so I can't speak to it one way or another. My instinct is to go with "discuss things that might be a problem beforehand if you're aware of them, speak up if something comes up in play, and act with charity, sensitivity, and the assumption of good faith whether you're player, DM, complainant, or recipient of complaints." Unfortunately, sensitivity and the assumption of good faith are hard to come by in our Age of Solipsism and Unreason.)

Brad · September 13, 2019, 02:44:07 PM

Quote from: jhkim;1103848I've played in probably two dozen games that were played with an X-card, mostly at local convention games, where a bunch of area GMs use it. During that time, I can recall only one time when it was used - and the use was pretty much just like you describe. It didn't take a lot of time, and I feel it's mostly extraneous, but also not the horrendous problem that some people have characterized it as.

Then what's the point? Some sort of focus for social inept people?

tenbones · September 13, 2019, 02:45:20 PM

Quote from: jhkim;1103848I've played in probably two dozen games that were played with an X-card, mostly at local convention games, where a bunch of area GMs use it. During that time, I can recall only one time when it was used - and the use was pretty much just like you describe. It didn't take a lot of time, and I feel it's mostly extraneous, but also not the horrendous problem that some people have characterized it as.

Taken as a convention-specific example, I still find it unnecessary, but whatever.

But that's not how it works in real life when its promoted *as* an element of play. That is the point of formalizing this as a PDF for dissemination to the populace at large. Otherwise what is the point of it if not to make it a conditional requirement - if only passively.

nope · September 13, 2019, 03:25:21 PM

Lol, the thread on this product over at TBP is full of gems and insightful commentary as usual. Fucking toxic cishet white males and their stranglehold on power dynamics, attacking and dogpiling on the disenfranchised PoC and marginalized LGBTQ gamers! BLOCKED!!! Session zero never ends, FACT!!!

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/monte-cooks-consent-in-gaming-hits-shelves-poop-hits-fans.852440/

tenbones · September 13, 2019, 03:28:30 PM

Why? WHY? WHHHHY did I look at that thread?

It's like peering into a pre-K classroom where the teacher has passed out drunk, and all the kids have started chugging from her magic Kool-Aid thermos... and are running wild.

MostlyReadRarelyPlay · September 13, 2019, 03:33:53 PM

Yall need the words of Dr. Chuck Tingle. Are you this unpleasant around your spouses as well or are you just playing e-toughguy?

nope · September 13, 2019, 03:34:14 PM

Quote from: tenbones;1103859It's like peering into a pre-K classroom where the teacher has passed out drunk, and all the kids have started chugging from her magic Kool-Aid thermos... and are running wild.

Mostly; primary difference being a bunch of drunk pre-K schoolkids are likely still not so paranoid/loony as to believe all the other schoolchildren are trying to traumatize, imprison and/or murder them...

VengerSatanis · September 13, 2019, 03:36:26 PM

Quote from: Antiquation!;1103858Lol, the thread on this product over at TBP is full of gems and insightful commentary as usual. Fucking toxic cishet white males and their stranglehold on power dynamics, attacking and dogpiling on the disenfranchised PoC and marginalized LGBTQ gamers! BLOCKED!!! Session zero never ends, FACT!!!

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/monte-cooks-consent-in-gaming-hits-shelves-poop-hits-fans.852440/

What a bunch of assholes.

VS

GeekyBugle · September 13, 2019, 03:36:43 PM

Quote from: MostlyReadRarelyPlay;1103860Yall need the words of Dr. Chuck Tingle. Are you this unpleasant around your spouses as well or are you just playing e-toughguy?

Don't know but when did you stopped molesting children?

nope · September 13, 2019, 03:45:03 PM

Quote from: MostlyReadRarelyPlay;1103860Yall need the words of Dr. Chuck Tingle. Are you this unpleasant around your spouses as well or are you just playing e-toughguy?

Huh? Who's playing tough guy? :confused: