Quote from: Vile;616839Okay, it's done - you can now add the BLUEHOLME Prentice Rules to the list!

http://dreamscapedesign.net/2013/01/10/blueholme-prentice-rules-go-live/

Hooray!

Jesus fucking christ, do we really need another rulebook that "recreates" specific cover of the BD&D rules? What next? "Red Cover, 2nd Printing Adventures", recreating the vitally necessary distinction between the first and second printing of the Redbox D&D booklets?

I thought we were done with this bullshit.

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Quote from: RPGPundit;617273I thought we were done with this bullshit.

No, we're not. :rolleyes:

Quote from: Vile;617405No, we're not. :rolleyes:

And what makes you think its at all necessary?Why do a clone instead of a new take on old school?

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Added Dungeon Squad to the list under "Old School but no Retro Clones."

Added the Big Brown Book under Original D&D.

Updated Searcher of the Unknown under Other RPGs with this additional link.

Quote from: RPGPundit;617709And what makes you think its at all necessary?Why do a clone instead of a new take on old school?

What makes you think that necessity has anything to do with this stuff? Have you seen the length of that list in the first post? Who writes an RPG because it's needed?

Quote from: Libertad;617762Added Dungeon Squad to the list under "Old School but no Retro Clones."

At this point I have to ask what in your mind is old school?

Dungeon Squad, upon a second viewing, comes off as an ultra-rules lite RPG than an Old School adaption.

Quote from: CRKrueger;617846At this point I have to ask what in your mind is old school?

Yeah, it might just be "erring on the side of permissiveness" but I'm starting to wonder that myself.

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Quote from: RPGPundit;618441Yeah, it might just be "erring on the side of permissiveness" but I'm starting to wonder that myself.

Maybe there are two different interpretations of the term "old school".

For some "old school" means everything that is modeled after stuff that was published from 74-88, for others the idea of entering a dungeon is "old school style play", regardless of actual rules. (And this explains why Dungeon World was nominated for this list as well.)

I really don't have my own definition of "old school" play beyond what I hear on AD&D sites and blogs, as I never got the chance to play pre-3rd Edition versions of the game; I'm pretty much going by examples listed on other websites (one of which listed Dungeon Squad as "Other").

When I first started some time ago, I was really excited by the idea of Old School games after checking out free samples of Swords & Wizardry, Labyrinth Lord, etc, and searched the Internet for others.  I decided to make a list of them as a useful resource.

I ran into several complications on this front, as said earlier in this thread "the retroclone definition is in danger of death by a thousand cuts."  For example, Pathfinder is a 3rd Edition retroclone, but it's not necessarily what people think of "old school D&D."  And then there are RPGs which try to go for the "feel" of old school play but uses a different ruleset (not necessarily a retroclone).  Warrior, Rogue, & Mage goes by its own rules instead of aping a specific Edition or Set.

Instead of adhering to a specific interpretation, I'm trying to be inclusive, whether it's trying to mimic specific rules, a general "feel," or both.  Hopefully, I can make the list as useful as possible for interested viewers instead of going for a more restrictive route.

In that sense, this is less of a "Retroclone list" and more of a "D&D Emulator" list.

There's a pretty significant difference between 'a master list of D&D retro-clones' and 'a list of vaguely old-schoolish sounding games.'

Quote from: Libertad;618776In that sense, this is less of a "Retroclone list" and more of a "D&D Emulator" list.

I edited the thread title to be clearer on this point.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;618778There's a pretty significant difference between 'a master list of D&D retro-clones' and 'a list of vaguely old-schoolish sounding games.'

You forgot the "throwing old school as a buzzword while having nothing to do with actual old school games" category.

Lol I was about to edit the thread title but Benoist beat me to it.

I'm sorry for any confusion.  I'm not trying to use the term as a buzzword;  Dungeon Squad was a mistake to include.

I've otherwise been meticulous in trying to include games which emulated pre-4th Edition rulesets.