Quote from: S'mon;1141153Albeit most of the harassers are whites.

Self-Loathing Whites who are ashamed of their whiteness.

Craziest shit I've ever seen.....

Chaos Dwarves are based on Sumerians, probably with a splash of Hittite.

Hittite Lives Used to Matter

Quote from: TJS;1141158The only access to truth is through the authentic lived experience of marginalised people

How do you tell the difference between authentic and inauthentic lived experience?  You know because authentic experience aligns with scripture.  Wait?  Did I say scripture?  Obviously I meant theory.  It aligns with theory.

So obviously the way to answer the question are Orcs racist is to keep asking marginalised people until you find one to give you the answer you've already decided is the correct one.  Of course if you are a marginalised person then you can just save time by asking yourself.

If white people say anything else then it's obviously because they themselves are racist.  If a marginalised person gives you an inauthentic answer then it's because they've internalised the racism against them.

In short we don't need good arguments about why Orcs are not racist.  It's about as fruitful as trying to reason with that guy waving the bible on the street corner and screaming that's everyone's going to hell.

We're dealing with a religion.  Want we need is not debate, but the enforcement of secular boundaries.

Yes, we're dealing with a religion, but how do you prove to the majority of the public that it is in fact a religion masquerading as science?

Best way is thru debate, with good arguments and make them talk about how the white man is superior etc.

Sad part is they seem to have smarts enough to not engage in debate, so the second best tactic is to take their "arguments" and show how they are the same as the white nationalists.

And this includes topics such as Orcs, Goblins, Skaven and Chaos Dwarfs.

As a matter of fact I think it's here where it's best to argue against their cult's dogma, because it's here where they are at their craziest, and can be shown to be fucking liars.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1141192Chaos Dwarves are based on Sumerians, probably with a splash of Hittite.

Assuming you're correct... So what?

Ideally you'd be right.

Historically you're looking at very very long odds. How much "debating" was done during the Crusades? The Reformation wars? The Muslim conquests? Oh lots of debating. And millions of deaths on the side.

Convincing True Believers willing to fight you over those beliefs rarely sorts itself out through debate.

What I'm about to say is rather philosophical and may trigger a series of schizophrenic episodes in a lot of people. Please proceed only if you think you can handle the truth.

"3/4 of the world have been hiding behind a mask their whole life."
                                                                           -Felix, J.

Unfortunately many of these people don't know who they're anymore, or if they even were anything other than an extra populating the matrix.
The more I code, the closer I feel I'm getting from understanding existence. To create something from nothing is the only way to become self aware.

I love it that there is a Stetson University. Mental image of all these guys swaggering around in their big JR hats. It sounds like an idea for a Monty Python sketch.

I also love it that my browser is interspersing the article for me with clickbait for a game called KILL THE GOBLIN!

Quote from: tenbones;1141213Ideally you'd be right.

Historically you're looking at very very long odds. How much "debating" was done during the Crusades? The Reformation wars? The Muslim conquests? Oh lots of debating. And millions of deaths on the side.

Convincing True Believers willing to fight you over those beliefs rarely sorts itself out through debate.

How much blood was spilled getting Creationism out of schools?

Take a page (or a dozen) from the Atheist playbook. They paint BLM on the street (doesn't matter if it's taxpayer or private money)? Well now the city has made it part of the public square, so they should allow you to paint All Lives Matter in the same street right next to their dogma.

Demand public funds don't go to schools that teach the non theistic religion of intersectionality/grievance studies/critical "theory".

If they insist it is science, then they have the burden of proof to show exactly how their BS can be falsified. And until they do demand a moratorium on all such courses.

Take their articles and spread them far and wide, take their vids and do debunk after debunk video, make fun of them make them look as the hateful idiots they are.

Of course if some antifart idiot tries to start some BS then all bets are off and you defend yourself.

Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1141214What I'm about to say is rather philosophical and may trigger a series of schizophrenic episodes in a lot of people. Please proceed only if you think you can handle the truth.

"3/4 of the world have been hiding behind a mask their whole life."
                                                                           -Felix, J.

Unfortunately many of these people don't know who they're anymore, or if they even were anything other than an extra populating the matrix.
The more I code, the closer I feel I'm getting from understanding existence. To create something from nothing is the only way to become self aware.

What are you talking about? Isn't there a Japanese truism that people have six faces and three hearts (metaphor for the thoughts and emotions we show the world)?

Quote from: Ghostmaker;1141225What are you talking about? Isn't there a Japanese truism that people have six faces and three hearts (metaphor for the thoughts and emotions we show the world)?

  I think that or very similar to it was a line from the Portugese pilot to Blackthorne in Shogun.

Quote from: Ghostmaker;1141225What are you talking about? Isn't there a Japanese truism that people have six faces and three hearts (metaphor for the thoughts and emotions we show the world)?

Hah crazy how history repeats itself, having thoughts similar to great historians before me.

Quote from: oggsmash;1141231I think that or very similar to it was a line from the Portugese pilot to Blackthorne in Shogun.

How interesting, my ancestors were also Portuguese. Portugal had the greatest navy in the world. And a large majority of crusaders were also Portuguese. Turns out success runs in the genes, huh!?

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1141211Yes, we're dealing with a religion, but how do you prove to the majority of the public that it is in fact a religion masquerading as science?  

Best way is thru debate, with good arguments and make them talk about how the white man is superior etc.

Sad part is they seem to have smarts enough to not engage in debate, so the second best tactic is to take their "arguments" and show how they are the same as the white nationalists.

And this includes topics such as Orcs, Goblins, Skaven and Chaos Dwarfs.

As a matter of fact I think it's here where it's best to argue against their cult's dogma, because it's here where they are at their craziest, and can be shown to be fucking liars.

Well keeping to Orcs,  I think, it would be most helpful to ask them questions like "What harm do you feel is being done by the way Orcs are depicted - and can you explain how this works", also " What would it take to convince you that Orcs are not racist?".  Their whole approach is putting people on the defensive.  The whole recent argument about Orcs began with a contentless tweet.  That tells you what you're dealing with - if it had begun with a well reasoned argument with close reading and analysis then you could respond in kind.  So the response needs to avoid beginning on the backfoot.  Make them explain themselves.  

It's not their arguments you need to reveal, it's the fundamental assumptions that they're built on.  Most people are still fairly liberal.  Critical Social Justice is profoundly illiberal.  The simple truth is that most people are good intentioned and don't know what they're buying into.

The new discourses website, founded by the people who did the grievance studies hoax papers several years ago, recently wrote up a section of advice and a letter template which you can use if your employer wants to make you do diversity training.

Pointing out how their beliefs are actually racist may also help.

Mocking them may also help.  That's a bit of an uphill struggle at the moment, but it wouldn't surprise me if the dam bursts at some stage in society generally.  In the case of Orcs it would probably helpful to remind people that D&D is basically a cartoonish game of goodies and baddies and the real problem is taking it and yourself too seriously.

Basically they need to be isolated.

Quote from: TJS;1141299Well keeping to Orcs,  I think, it would be most helpful to ask them questions like "What harm do you feel is being done by the way Orcs are depicted - and can you explain how this works", also " What would it take to convince you that Orcs are not racist?".  There whole approach is putting people on the defensive.  The whole recent argument about Orcs began with a contentless tweet.  That tells you what you're dealing with - if it had begun with a well reasoned argument with close reading and analysis then you could respond in kind.  So the response needs to avoid beginning on the backfoot.  Make them explain themselves.  

It's not their arguments you need to reveal, it's the fundamental assumptions that they're built on.  Most people are still fairly liberal.  Critical Social Justice is profoundly illiberal.  The simple truth is that most people are good intentioned and don't know what they're buying into.

The new discourses website, founded by the people who did the grievance studies hoax papers several years ago, recently wrote up a section of advice and a letter template which you can use if your employer wants to make you do diversity training.

Pointing out how their beliefs are actually racist may also help.

Mocking them may also help.  That's a bit of an uphill struggle at the moment, but it wouldn't surprise me if the dam bursts at some stage in society generally.  In the case of Orcs it would probably helpful to remind people that D&D is basically a cartoonish game of goodies and baddies and the real problem is taking it and yourself too seriously.

Basically they need to be isolated.

Yep mock them at every step, point at their idiocy and point at the fact that they see Orcs, Goblins, Etc and see Blacks, Jews, etc. Normal people don't do that connection, and by normal I mean not racist.

Exactly why I say it's here (our hobbies) where they are at their craziest (and weakest) and is where we should confront and expose their fundamental beliefs.

And keep on pointing how this Istophobe Panic is nothing else than the Satanic Panic of present day.

It really is.