Are there stats for the khopesh and/or bronze plate (That 1st ed Unearthed Arcana oddity) in any of the D&DV "Official" sources?

Sure, I could just make them up, but I've been playing (and really enjoying) a lot of Adventurer's League lately so I'd like an official, League-legal source if possible.

Thanks bunches in advance for any help.

Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;960201Are there stats for the khopesh and/or bronze plate (That 1st ed Unearthed Arcana oddity) in any of the D&DV "Official" sources?

Sure, I could just make them up, but I've been playing (and really enjoying) a lot of Adventurer's League lately so I'd like an official, League-legal source if possible.

There are none that I can think of however historically bronze is not any worse than average medieval steel. Now Damacus Steel and similiar alloys is a different story. Iron during the initial transition was actually inferior to bronze. It was only when steel was developed that iron weapons were as good as bronze.

The problem with bronze was that it was crazy expensive due to the fact that tin and copper were not found in the same location. In fact much of the tin during the ancient age was imported from Britain. Iron in contrast is much more abundant and once they figured out how to work it spread like wildfire.

So in terms of mechanics Bronze weaponry and armor would be twice as much as iron and have the same damage and same protection. For Adventurer's League stuff it would be more flavor than anything with a difference in mechanics.

No official source. You are generally expected to just rename something close and go.

There is though mention of Celestial Bronze in a 5e Wiki. But Im not sure where they got that from?

Treat bronze plate as half plate? And the Khopesh as a Short Sword as they have about the same length. So 1d6, finesse, light.

Same wiki lists this

Khopesh, 20gp, 1d8 slashing, 3lb - Light, Versatile(1d10) , Finesse

I think thats a bit OP for such a short sword.

I'd say you are best advised to just say plate armor is plate armor and a 1 handed sword is like other 1 handed swords. D&D can be engineered to finely distinguish among weapons and armor types, and the interactions between the two - that is what the Chainmail man-to-man rules and 1E weapon vs. armor type tables were all about. But if you don't have a sub-system like this to give each weapon and armor type a special quality or interaction with each other, then there really isn't any point in over thinking this: All armor types are defined by their AC bonus, so just pick a value that roughly corresponds to where it sits on the spectrum of standard armors and that is all there is to say. Weapons in 5E have qualities that makes this a little more complex, but the couple dozen examples we have in the standard sources cover essentially all of the territory there is to cover. It is tempting to move outside these boundaries, but then you are just playing the 'magic katana' game (i.e., designating some item of normal technology as special and preferred). 5E is not very interested in technology and has little to say about it. If you are into this sort of thing, play a different game.

Quote from: estar;960212There are none that I can think of however historically bronze is not any worse than average medieval steel. Now Damacus Steel and similiar alloys is a different story. Iron during the initial transition was actually inferior to bronze. It was only when steel was developed that iron weapons were as good as bronze.

The problem with bronze was that it was crazy expensive due to the fact that tin and copper were not found in the same location. In fact much of the tin during the ancient age was imported from Britain. Iron in contrast is much more abundant and once they figured out how to work it spread like wildfire.

So in terms of mechanics Bronze weaponry and armor would be twice as much as iron and have the same damage and same protection. For Adventurer's League stuff it would be more flavor than anything with a difference in mechanics.

Depends on how far back you go; there were lots of other sources of tin (such as in Turkey), but they were steadily tapped out until only Britain remained.

Iron happened to occur near good sources of fuel - either trees for charcoal or coal that could easily be dug up. The only thing you really needed to work it was hot enough fires.

Bronze is about 10% denser than an equivalent volume of iron, so similar panoplies should be slightly heavier.